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<blockquote data-quote="Goweresque" data-source="post: 6669306" data-attributes="member: 818"><p>The whole point of the problem is the refusal to use physical punishments. If you aren't going to impose them in schools then you aren't going to be able to impose them in a National Service environment either. The Armed Forces can maintain discipline because all the recruits are volunteers and want to be there - ultimately they accept the discipline voluntarily. But if you are forcing people against their will to enter NS type environments you then have exactly the same problem you do in schools - how to maintain discipline when physical action and punishment are forbidden. </p><p></p><p>Thus if (as a society) we were prepared to allow recalcitrant youths to be physically manhandled and disciplined while on NS then you might as well just bring back corporal punishment in schools and forget about NS altogether. Then of course there's the male/female issue - in the 50s it was just men who were sent into NS, now it would have to be women as well, on gender equality grounds. Are we prepared to have the same rules for disciplining young women as the men? Equality would decree that you'd have to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goweresque, post: 6669306, member: 818"] The whole point of the problem is the refusal to use physical punishments. If you aren't going to impose them in schools then you aren't going to be able to impose them in a National Service environment either. The Armed Forces can maintain discipline because all the recruits are volunteers and want to be there - ultimately they accept the discipline voluntarily. But if you are forcing people against their will to enter NS type environments you then have exactly the same problem you do in schools - how to maintain discipline when physical action and punishment are forbidden. Thus if (as a society) we were prepared to allow recalcitrant youths to be physically manhandled and disciplined while on NS then you might as well just bring back corporal punishment in schools and forget about NS altogether. Then of course there's the male/female issue - in the 50s it was just men who were sent into NS, now it would have to be women as well, on gender equality grounds. Are we prepared to have the same rules for disciplining young women as the men? Equality would decree that you'd have to. [/QUOTE]
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