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<blockquote data-quote="egbert" data-source="post: 5668144" data-attributes="member: 9965"><p>The whole wretched idea makes me sick.</p><p>Cattle are worth, in real terms (some years 'actual terms') less and less. Inventing new ways to spend money on them is not going to solve that. </p><p>(You want EID?....fine, have it. Don't force it on me) </p><p>Minette is absolutely positive this will be simple, and a breeze, where you tag a calf, and upload all the info on some gadget -or possibly 2 gadgets-, and send it off instantly.</p><p>She evidently hasn't tried tagging Galloway calves on a windswept hill in the rain, with no signal and the cow chasing you round the gorse bushes.</p><p></p><p>TB testing using (another) gadget? hmm. I've seen vets drop their electric clippers/jabbing gear etc into the porridge plenty of times...the resultant false positives are bad enough, but I'm not altogether sure a techno gadget will survive long in this regime.</p><p>My pens are on outdoors, in the drift lane that services the inbye fields. I can't put the pens elsewhere without changing the entire layout of the property, i could, arguably put a building right over them, including the bridlepath that runs through? Hmm...I'll ask the National Park.</p><p>There are days when we have to test midwinter, in the pouring rain and gales....water runs right underfoot as we work. Locums can't believe that (a) we're prepared to carry on, and (b) they've spent x years at vet school to find themselves in such a place.</p><p>We gently explain that if we fail to test on time, our payments are stopped, and I'd soon be looking for alternative employment and accommodation. </p><p></p><p>The replacement for lost tags protocol is a curious matter about which I've heard nothing yet.</p><p>I've had bulls who rub tags out of their lugs within weeks. </p><p>Some we give up tagging until they leave the premises, as it only upsets them to keep putting new plastic in their ears.</p><p>I think one infamous beast took pleasure in removing them within the week. </p><p>He went without for years, but luckily, the neighbours he used to enjoy visiting (he was a very sociable chap) knew perfectly well who he was, and who to phone.</p><p>i'm very unlikely to try and keep tags in such beasts, but what about the others which shed them? If we have a blitz, and get every single one up to speed, there'll be 20 missing by the next test. (The ketchums are the real identifier, ironically)</p><p></p><p>Satisfying international rules to protect export markets? (I'm avoiding mentioning the current raison sodding detre of EU rules for obvious reasons). </p><p> I was on a farm overseas recently, and politely asked if the guy had to tag any of his beasts (very few were). Oh, not until they leave the farm came the reply -a wholly reasonable standpoint. It hardly matters until that point does it? (That country relies on exports).</p><p></p><p>Paperless? That's a joke. Anyone without the right gadgets-and ability to use them-, or phone signal, will be reliant on a fallback system anyway.</p><p>It's another bitter irony that the dept who currently run the paper system are the only dept under DEFRAs umbrella with whom you can sort out a problem with by one phone call.</p><p>That'll never do will it?</p><p></p><p>And are medicine records going to go over to this system? Reports vary</p><p></p><p>Are sheep records going over to this system? God forbid</p><p>Again, anyone who thinks it is a good idea spends scant time on the hill with a gale force wind blowing sleet in their face.</p><p>Perhaps they think all livestock farming should happen in dry lowland districts, or indoors.</p><p></p><p>One thing I am quite sure of, and that is that there's some very optimistic tag manufacturers about - some which you could phone today, and order tags without a warning that said tags will soon be redundant. Scheming dishonest little scumbags (we have tested this, and more than one company will happily supply 2-3 years worth of tags without mentioning what they must already know. Do say if you want names....) </p><p></p><p>It is a matter of great regret that I don't feel i have a professional lobby group trying to stop this baloney. I pay 2-3 lots of subs, to organisations who -apparently- know more about my business than I do. </p><p>I don't want sympathy or pity, (and i care not one whit for anyones derision). I want to be heard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="egbert, post: 5668144, member: 9965"] The whole wretched idea makes me sick. Cattle are worth, in real terms (some years 'actual terms') less and less. Inventing new ways to spend money on them is not going to solve that. (You want EID?....fine, have it. Don't force it on me) Minette is absolutely positive this will be simple, and a breeze, where you tag a calf, and upload all the info on some gadget -or possibly 2 gadgets-, and send it off instantly. She evidently hasn't tried tagging Galloway calves on a windswept hill in the rain, with no signal and the cow chasing you round the gorse bushes. TB testing using (another) gadget? hmm. I've seen vets drop their electric clippers/jabbing gear etc into the porridge plenty of times...the resultant false positives are bad enough, but I'm not altogether sure a techno gadget will survive long in this regime. My pens are on outdoors, in the drift lane that services the inbye fields. I can't put the pens elsewhere without changing the entire layout of the property, i could, arguably put a building right over them, including the bridlepath that runs through? Hmm...I'll ask the National Park. There are days when we have to test midwinter, in the pouring rain and gales....water runs right underfoot as we work. Locums can't believe that (a) we're prepared to carry on, and (b) they've spent x years at vet school to find themselves in such a place. We gently explain that if we fail to test on time, our payments are stopped, and I'd soon be looking for alternative employment and accommodation. The replacement for lost tags protocol is a curious matter about which I've heard nothing yet. I've had bulls who rub tags out of their lugs within weeks. Some we give up tagging until they leave the premises, as it only upsets them to keep putting new plastic in their ears. I think one infamous beast took pleasure in removing them within the week. He went without for years, but luckily, the neighbours he used to enjoy visiting (he was a very sociable chap) knew perfectly well who he was, and who to phone. i'm very unlikely to try and keep tags in such beasts, but what about the others which shed them? If we have a blitz, and get every single one up to speed, there'll be 20 missing by the next test. (The ketchums are the real identifier, ironically) Satisfying international rules to protect export markets? (I'm avoiding mentioning the current raison sodding detre of EU rules for obvious reasons). I was on a farm overseas recently, and politely asked if the guy had to tag any of his beasts (very few were). Oh, not until they leave the farm came the reply -a wholly reasonable standpoint. It hardly matters until that point does it? (That country relies on exports). Paperless? That's a joke. Anyone without the right gadgets-and ability to use them-, or phone signal, will be reliant on a fallback system anyway. It's another bitter irony that the dept who currently run the paper system are the only dept under DEFRAs umbrella with whom you can sort out a problem with by one phone call. That'll never do will it? And are medicine records going to go over to this system? Reports vary Are sheep records going over to this system? God forbid Again, anyone who thinks it is a good idea spends scant time on the hill with a gale force wind blowing sleet in their face. Perhaps they think all livestock farming should happen in dry lowland districts, or indoors. One thing I am quite sure of, and that is that there's some very optimistic tag manufacturers about - some which you could phone today, and order tags without a warning that said tags will soon be redundant. Scheming dishonest little scumbags (we have tested this, and more than one company will happily supply 2-3 years worth of tags without mentioning what they must already know. Do say if you want names....) It is a matter of great regret that I don't feel i have a professional lobby group trying to stop this baloney. I pay 2-3 lots of subs, to organisations who -apparently- know more about my business than I do. I don't want sympathy or pity, (and i care not one whit for anyones derision). I want to be heard. [/QUOTE]
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