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<blockquote data-quote="Danllan" data-source="post: 5968312" data-attributes="member: 8735"><p>My turn to apologise for a slow reply, <u>very</u> aged family were visiting over the weekend... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />*</p><p></p><p>Firstly, you haven't 'answered' my questions at all. You have side-stepped or - less charitably - ignored them because the honest answers don't suit your case. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite24" alt="(y)" title="Thumbs Up (y)" loading="lazy" data-shortname="(y)" /></p><p></p><p>Nonetheless, in anticipation of a rash of honesty breaking out around the beautiful Bay of Plenty, I'll respond to the points you have made. The EC is the principal body to which I was referring, if you hold illusions regarding its democratic accountability you need to re-examine Directives, Regulations and Direct Effect; and to take a very close look at the role played by the commission in 'persuading' - i.e. coercing - the governments of the smaller EU states to 'do the right thing' (right for the EC, of course, in its plan for a single super-state, rather than right for the people of said countries).</p><p></p><p>As in NZ, the UK parliament has virtually no say in governmental appointments and ECs are appointed by governments. Traditionally EC appointments have been made to ensure that a key player with a vested interest doesn't get to hold sway in that area, or to put the 'awkward squad' in difficult positions - a good analogy in internal UK affairs is that of putting an senior but inconvenient politician in the Home Office or in charge of Health.</p><p></p><p>I guess you are financially comfortable, since if you weren't you'd understand that key to the maintenance of an 'underclass' is having available a very cheap workforce to keep them there (at this point a true cynic might interject that a <u>'Labour'</u> administration was the implementer...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />). NZ is, of course, the shining light and fount of all sociological wisdom from which we should learn much, and I note, after some research, that it very specifically <u>does</u> <u>not</u> allow mass / blanket immigration and <u>does</u> have a system which quantifies desirable and permitted immigration, except for really, really rich ̶p̶a̶s̶s̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶b̶u̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ 'investors'.</p><p></p><p>Trying to impute that foreign aid should be stopped from my dislike of open-door immigration from the EU and my advocating of choosing the best immigrants from across the globe is both idiotic and a pretty poor and blatant attempt at a bit of virtue flagging. Don't do that. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite24" alt="(y)" title="Thumbs Up (y)" loading="lazy" data-shortname="(y)" /></p><p></p><p>If you think that NZ is trading with fewer countries and on more difficult terms that ought to be the case, we must assume that you are actively campaigning to join as a state of Australia, the US, Canada or maybe even Indonesia. If this isn't the case it is pretty clear that, if a relatively small economy such as NZ's is fit to do its own deals, the UK will be fine negotiating globally.</p><p></p><p>Well spotted that the Referendum result was close but, and this is important, in a democracy those who don't win a vote accept the result with good grace - as, to their credit, the vast majority of them have. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*'Oh... uncle Alcwyn would never have done that'... to which the honest reply would be 'Uncle Alcwyn wasn't aware of the Agricultural Revolution, let alone the bl**dy Industrial one' <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite4" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":mad:" />, but instead to which I smiled sweetly and nodded. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite86" alt=":angelic:" title="Angelic :angelic:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":angelic:" />… Glad I've got that off my chest. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danllan, post: 5968312, member: 8735"] My turn to apologise for a slow reply, [U]very[/U] aged family were visiting over the weekend... :eek:* Firstly, you haven't 'answered' my questions at all. You have side-stepped or - less charitably - ignored them because the honest answers don't suit your case. (y) Nonetheless, in anticipation of a rash of honesty breaking out around the beautiful Bay of Plenty, I'll respond to the points you have made. The EC is the principal body to which I was referring, if you hold illusions regarding its democratic accountability you need to re-examine Directives, Regulations and Direct Effect; and to take a very close look at the role played by the commission in 'persuading' - i.e. coercing - the governments of the smaller EU states to 'do the right thing' (right for the EC, of course, in its plan for a single super-state, rather than right for the people of said countries). As in NZ, the UK parliament has virtually no say in governmental appointments and ECs are appointed by governments. Traditionally EC appointments have been made to ensure that a key player with a vested interest doesn't get to hold sway in that area, or to put the 'awkward squad' in difficult positions - a good analogy in internal UK affairs is that of putting an senior but inconvenient politician in the Home Office or in charge of Health. I guess you are financially comfortable, since if you weren't you'd understand that key to the maintenance of an 'underclass' is having available a very cheap workforce to keep them there (at this point a true cynic might interject that a [U]'Labour'[/U] administration was the implementer...:rolleyes:). NZ is, of course, the shining light and fount of all sociological wisdom from which we should learn much, and I note, after some research, that it very specifically [U]does[/U] [U]not[/U] allow mass / blanket immigration and [U]does[/U] have a system which quantifies desirable and permitted immigration, except for really, really rich ̶p̶a̶s̶s̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶b̶u̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ 'investors'. Trying to impute that foreign aid should be stopped from my dislike of open-door immigration from the EU and my advocating of choosing the best immigrants from across the globe is both idiotic and a pretty poor and blatant attempt at a bit of virtue flagging. Don't do that. (y) If you think that NZ is trading with fewer countries and on more difficult terms that ought to be the case, we must assume that you are actively campaigning to join as a state of Australia, the US, Canada or maybe even Indonesia. If this isn't the case it is pretty clear that, if a relatively small economy such as NZ's is fit to do its own deals, the UK will be fine negotiating globally. Well spotted that the Referendum result was close but, and this is important, in a democracy those who don't win a vote accept the result with good grace - as, to their credit, the vast majority of them have. :) *'Oh... uncle Alcwyn would never have done that'... to which the honest reply would be 'Uncle Alcwyn wasn't aware of the Agricultural Revolution, let alone the bl**dy Industrial one' :mad:, but instead to which I smiled sweetly and nodded. :angelic:… Glad I've got that off my chest. :) [/QUOTE]
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