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<blockquote data-quote="stewart" data-source="post: 5971146" data-attributes="member: 42710"><p>Apologies if I appear to have not answered your question, to save me looking it up in the previous posts and trying to guess what I have not answered, perhaps you would do me the courtesy of asking it again.</p><p></p><p>What is this "underclass" you refer to? As far as I am aware both the UK and NZ have fairly rigid labour laws with a basic minimum wage in place, while this may seem a low rate to many and it quite possibly is, to obtain a reasonable labour force we have to pay substantially above the minimum rate, I assume (possibly incorrectly) that the UK would have to do the same, both countries also have a high level of employment, without the immigrant labour who on earth is going to carry out essential tasks.</p><p></p><p>We do have mass immigration in place or at least open immigration policies, although as in the UK this is only available from specific countries, we have an immigration system that quantifies desirable and permitted immigration (same as the UK does) included in that system is a quota for entrepreneurial investors, again the same as the UK, how many Russian oligarchs are there in London?</p><p></p><p>There was no intention to impute that foreign aid should be stopped, I just think it is preferable to allow peoples from disadvantaged nations to work in the countries that need them, sending their hard earned income home, than it is to merely give them a cash handout, the UK needs labour from Eastern Europe, we need labour from the Pacific Islands.</p><p></p><p>New Zealand trades with many countries around the world, some of them have free trade agreements, those agreements are after many years of hard protracted negotiation, I accept that the UK will find it easier to obtain free trade agreements than we do, NZ is a net exporter whereas the UK is a consumer nation, of course Nations want to trade with you, not so they can buy your manufactured or agricultural goods, they want to trade so they can sell whatever it is they have. </p><p></p><p>It was not too difficult to spot how close the referendum result was, it was so close that I would not consider it a rounding endorsement for Brexit, however the criteria was for a majority, irrespective of how small that majority was, a win is a win is a win, and as you have pointed out most of the Remainers accept that result, I would hope that the Brexitears also show the same decorum and are magnanimous in victory and accept that there is a process to go through when leaving.</p><p></p><p>You have pointed out that New Zealand is the fount of all sociological wisdom, I personally would not go that far, although there is a lot that the UK could learn from NZ, just as the reverse is true, there is a lot for everyone to learn from different cultures, the more we learn from each other the better world we can all live in, that is far preferably than thinking that you know everything, are the best at everything and the rest of the world is just inferior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stewart, post: 5971146, member: 42710"] Apologies if I appear to have not answered your question, to save me looking it up in the previous posts and trying to guess what I have not answered, perhaps you would do me the courtesy of asking it again. What is this "underclass" you refer to? As far as I am aware both the UK and NZ have fairly rigid labour laws with a basic minimum wage in place, while this may seem a low rate to many and it quite possibly is, to obtain a reasonable labour force we have to pay substantially above the minimum rate, I assume (possibly incorrectly) that the UK would have to do the same, both countries also have a high level of employment, without the immigrant labour who on earth is going to carry out essential tasks. We do have mass immigration in place or at least open immigration policies, although as in the UK this is only available from specific countries, we have an immigration system that quantifies desirable and permitted immigration (same as the UK does) included in that system is a quota for entrepreneurial investors, again the same as the UK, how many Russian oligarchs are there in London? There was no intention to impute that foreign aid should be stopped, I just think it is preferable to allow peoples from disadvantaged nations to work in the countries that need them, sending their hard earned income home, than it is to merely give them a cash handout, the UK needs labour from Eastern Europe, we need labour from the Pacific Islands. New Zealand trades with many countries around the world, some of them have free trade agreements, those agreements are after many years of hard protracted negotiation, I accept that the UK will find it easier to obtain free trade agreements than we do, NZ is a net exporter whereas the UK is a consumer nation, of course Nations want to trade with you, not so they can buy your manufactured or agricultural goods, they want to trade so they can sell whatever it is they have. It was not too difficult to spot how close the referendum result was, it was so close that I would not consider it a rounding endorsement for Brexit, however the criteria was for a majority, irrespective of how small that majority was, a win is a win is a win, and as you have pointed out most of the Remainers accept that result, I would hope that the Brexitears also show the same decorum and are magnanimous in victory and accept that there is a process to go through when leaving. You have pointed out that New Zealand is the fount of all sociological wisdom, I personally would not go that far, although there is a lot that the UK could learn from NZ, just as the reverse is true, there is a lot for everyone to learn from different cultures, the more we learn from each other the better world we can all live in, that is far preferably than thinking that you know everything, are the best at everything and the rest of the world is just inferior. [/QUOTE]
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