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<blockquote data-quote="Danllan" data-source="post: 5971468" data-attributes="member: 8735"><p>Unanswered q's: </p><p></p><p>1) If you had to choose today, would you want NZ to be subject to an unelected legislature that cost you a huge amount of money (£ half a trillion so far...) and, amongst many other negative aspects, guaranteed that your own population's most needy people were undercut in the job-market?</p><p></p><p>2) What is xenophobic / small-minded (Little-English?) about wanting to be able to trade more freely at our own behest with more countries, and to decide who from across the whole world is allowed entry to this country, rather than just have an exclusive automatic right of entry to Europeans?</p><p></p><p>You assume wrongly about wages in the UK, becauss of what has been, effectively, <u>unlimited</u> cheap labour, there has been no reason whatsoever for employers to pay over the miniimum wage – by pure coincidence, now that Europeans are not coming in such vast numbers, wages <u>have</u> begun to rise, even at the bottom. 'Essential tasks'... despite the highest employment ever, we still have people who are not working.</p><p></p><p>NZ's 'open' immigration pollicy applies to what is only the tiniest fraction of the number of people that EU membership imposes upon the UK, it isn't comparable. As for the oligarchs, I deplore their entry and remind you that <u>I'm</u> not the one preaching... </p><p></p><p>You were pretty explicit in linking my belief in limiting immigration with foreign aid, it's in writing. The UK doen't 'need' labour from anywhere while part of our own population is unnecessarily standing idle, although I will agree with you if you say that many <u>want</u> it.</p><p></p><p>The problem with being 'magnanimous' in victory, with regard to the referendum result, is that it was a simple binary question, it being made very plain by the Government and both sides in the campaign that leaving the EU would mena exiting the SM and CU too. If we, the majority, are 'magnanimous', i.e. accept what a small minority of remainers - who don't accept the result – want, it means that we will both be invalidating the democratic process and not getting what we voted for. Tale a moment to consider what they would be doing now to be 'magnanimous' to us, had they won the poll, they answer is blindingly obvious, nothing...</p><p></p><p>All countries can learn from others, a platitude if ever there was one. We, both the UK and NZ are superior to many other places, although far from perfect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danllan, post: 5971468, member: 8735"] Unanswered q's: 1) If you had to choose today, would you want NZ to be subject to an unelected legislature that cost you a huge amount of money (£ half a trillion so far...) and, amongst many other negative aspects, guaranteed that your own population's most needy people were undercut in the job-market? 2) What is xenophobic / small-minded (Little-English?) about wanting to be able to trade more freely at our own behest with more countries, and to decide who from across the whole world is allowed entry to this country, rather than just have an exclusive automatic right of entry to Europeans? You assume wrongly about wages in the UK, becauss of what has been, effectively, [U]unlimited[/U] cheap labour, there has been no reason whatsoever for employers to pay over the miniimum wage – by pure coincidence, now that Europeans are not coming in such vast numbers, wages [U]have[/U] begun to rise, even at the bottom. 'Essential tasks'... despite the highest employment ever, we still have people who are not working. NZ's 'open' immigration pollicy applies to what is only the tiniest fraction of the number of people that EU membership imposes upon the UK, it isn't comparable. As for the oligarchs, I deplore their entry and remind you that [U]I'm[/U] not the one preaching... You were pretty explicit in linking my belief in limiting immigration with foreign aid, it's in writing. The UK doen't 'need' labour from anywhere while part of our own population is unnecessarily standing idle, although I will agree with you if you say that many [U]want[/U] it. The problem with being 'magnanimous' in victory, with regard to the referendum result, is that it was a simple binary question, it being made very plain by the Government and both sides in the campaign that leaving the EU would mena exiting the SM and CU too. If we, the majority, are 'magnanimous', i.e. accept what a small minority of remainers - who don't accept the result – want, it means that we will both be invalidating the democratic process and not getting what we voted for. Tale a moment to consider what they would be doing now to be 'magnanimous' to us, had they won the poll, they answer is blindingly obvious, nothing... All countries can learn from others, a platitude if ever there was one. We, both the UK and NZ are superior to many other places, although far from perfect. [/QUOTE]
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