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<blockquote data-quote="Dave645" data-source="post: 9218723" data-attributes="member: 55822"><p>This is it exactly, they want it all, cheap food and more nature, to get it, what they ask is be less productive and diversify, which on paper I am sure when the environmentalists were pushing for change to the committees that formed policy, they sounded ok because, non of it effected anyone on those committees.</p><p></p><p>the reality is less farmers, less production.</p><p>diversification, will either take farmers out of farming or make them less farming productive.</p><p></p><p>neither outcome in reality makes farming a living, which all the schemes miss, farming has to be a living, making a living from the land has been a staple of our species, it’s the reason we exist, to dally with that basic concept is fundamentally stupid, yet we have seen it for the last 60 years or more, subsidies or payments that separate food production from profitability has put us where we are, can it be any other way now?</p><p></p><p>the more sub we get the less supermarkets will feel they need to pay, while I don’t know this is a correct fact or not but, from memory it’s 1p in the price in a 325 gram bit of cheese, is the farmers cut of the retail price of cheese.</p><p></p><p>this is the reality, it’s the way consumers consume, what we produce, that makes food expensive, the meal out has little to do with farm gate food prices, the ready meal, again is the same. Food is cheap at the farm gate, but it’s not for the consumer, food inflation the big nasty that governments hate is less about farming and more about everyone above us.</p><p></p><p>it all comes down to who sits between the farmer and the consumer, and what that consumer expects from there food.</p><p></p><p>can the system be fixed?</p><p>If so in what way?</p><p></p><p>local produce box schemes? </p><p>Seasonal ones, and what of the meat and dairy side, is the only diversification worth doing become producer, processor, and retailer as well?</p><p></p><p>we all know farming can and will absorb a lot of profits, that it has been starved of for a long time, until we own a Mr Dyson type farm where we are looking at long term investments rather than what do we make do with and what to mend.</p><p>A Mr Dyson type farm is what we should look like, employees to do things safely, not one man struggling on his own doing jobs best done with 2 or more. Everything boils down to money. What would our industry look like if we had Mr Dyson levels of finance?</p><p></p><p>expansion would end as who would sell land?</p><p>if profits from production doubled permanently what would happen?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave645, post: 9218723, member: 55822"] This is it exactly, they want it all, cheap food and more nature, to get it, what they ask is be less productive and diversify, which on paper I am sure when the environmentalists were pushing for change to the committees that formed policy, they sounded ok because, non of it effected anyone on those committees. the reality is less farmers, less production. diversification, will either take farmers out of farming or make them less farming productive. neither outcome in reality makes farming a living, which all the schemes miss, farming has to be a living, making a living from the land has been a staple of our species, it’s the reason we exist, to dally with that basic concept is fundamentally stupid, yet we have seen it for the last 60 years or more, subsidies or payments that separate food production from profitability has put us where we are, can it be any other way now? the more sub we get the less supermarkets will feel they need to pay, while I don’t know this is a correct fact or not but, from memory it’s 1p in the price in a 325 gram bit of cheese, is the farmers cut of the retail price of cheese. this is the reality, it’s the way consumers consume, what we produce, that makes food expensive, the meal out has little to do with farm gate food prices, the ready meal, again is the same. Food is cheap at the farm gate, but it’s not for the consumer, food inflation the big nasty that governments hate is less about farming and more about everyone above us. it all comes down to who sits between the farmer and the consumer, and what that consumer expects from there food. can the system be fixed? If so in what way? local produce box schemes? Seasonal ones, and what of the meat and dairy side, is the only diversification worth doing become producer, processor, and retailer as well? we all know farming can and will absorb a lot of profits, that it has been starved of for a long time, until we own a Mr Dyson type farm where we are looking at long term investments rather than what do we make do with and what to mend. A Mr Dyson type farm is what we should look like, employees to do things safely, not one man struggling on his own doing jobs best done with 2 or more. Everything boils down to money. What would our industry look like if we had Mr Dyson levels of finance? expansion would end as who would sell land? if profits from production doubled permanently what would happen? [/QUOTE]
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