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<blockquote data-quote="Ukjay" data-source="post: 3560198" data-attributes="member: 51920"><p>Unfortunately Cheap equals more cost later on. If you want my advice to prevent you suffering what we currently have - do not go rubber surface (not sure who told you that it is the best) or have sand only surface or you will regret it, and definitely put in drains correctly.</p><p>I will be ripping ours out this year as the one we have was done on the cheap and it is useless!</p><p></p><p>Point to note about Rubber surfaces - if you have a Grey Horse / Pony, they end up with Black Boots which is a pita!</p><p></p><p>The main part of the Manege is the base, if you get this construction wrong - you will regret it and the costs incurred to redo it. After all the hard graft to build it in the first place, you do not want to have to rip it all up to sort out poor drainage, mud coming up through the surface as it has been scrimped on.</p><p>If you have level ground - you can use your other soil to build up the perimeter to the base level, but then build it traditionally - do not bank the soil up around the edge - because it is a real pita to keep tidy (you cannot mow vertically as easy as level ground, so you time to maintain goes up).</p><p></p><p>As a minimum, the base should have the drainage installed in channels that are lined with membrane, then some clean non dusty gravel, pipe laid in, then topped with more clean non dusty gravel. Then this gets capped off with the surface layer of membrane which you should also fix boarding around the edge of the manege, then add a minimum of 150mm of cleaned / washed granite or similar stone as you subsurface (do not use limestone, as this can break down and then the fines can work to block up the routes to drain the base effectively, thus rendering your surface unusable).</p><p></p><p>The reason for you granite layer - is that this provides firstly a ground stabilizing layer, but more importantly your reservoir for containing a downpour, which then filters through to your well designed drainage channels, that should not be designed to take the water away as fast as possible, it should be controlled so that the surface has residual moisture left (not stay wet).</p><p>If your arena will be subjected to a lot of run off water in a downpour - you may need to increase the granite layer by consequence to help prevent the arena surface washing out.</p><p></p><p>Over the top of your granite - you should add another layer of membrane (again fixed to you manege boarding).</p><p></p><p>You then need to decide on your surface - which personally as stated, I would avoid the rubber or sand only. The final surface is unfortunately one area that you can get fleeced on - and more of a concern now, is that there are many suppliers who make tall claims, but the end result is not as expected. This is why a lot of people opt for Rubber or Sand - as they are substantially cheaper.</p><p></p><p>My advice on the surface - go and see some commercial maneges being used in reputable businesses, then ask them how they are holding up. Buy from a reputable dealer and you will buy once.</p><p></p><p>Easiest way to work out depths, just use 150mm boarding around the manege fence, then this is the level of each layer. I would also recommend adding a couple of additional boards to prevent the surface being kicked out of the manege as the horses circle the arena, also helps to prevent the grass coming into the arena.</p><p></p><p>Additionally - I would add some 50mm wire netting around the outside to the manege to stop the frikin rabbits. They love digging up the surface. Do not use the fine mesh netting - as this will push your boundary fence over in the wind.</p><p></p><p>Size wise, 40 x 20 is considered the std domestic surface area, but 60 x 30 is a far better option honest, as it gives so much more in terms of options, but the costs do obviously go up.</p><p></p><p>Also - a Manege does need planning permission.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ukjay, post: 3560198, member: 51920"] Unfortunately Cheap equals more cost later on. If you want my advice to prevent you suffering what we currently have - do not go rubber surface (not sure who told you that it is the best) or have sand only surface or you will regret it, and definitely put in drains correctly. I will be ripping ours out this year as the one we have was done on the cheap and it is useless! Point to note about Rubber surfaces - if you have a Grey Horse / Pony, they end up with Black Boots which is a pita! The main part of the Manege is the base, if you get this construction wrong - you will regret it and the costs incurred to redo it. After all the hard graft to build it in the first place, you do not want to have to rip it all up to sort out poor drainage, mud coming up through the surface as it has been scrimped on. If you have level ground - you can use your other soil to build up the perimeter to the base level, but then build it traditionally - do not bank the soil up around the edge - because it is a real pita to keep tidy (you cannot mow vertically as easy as level ground, so you time to maintain goes up). As a minimum, the base should have the drainage installed in channels that are lined with membrane, then some clean non dusty gravel, pipe laid in, then topped with more clean non dusty gravel. Then this gets capped off with the surface layer of membrane which you should also fix boarding around the edge of the manege, then add a minimum of 150mm of cleaned / washed granite or similar stone as you subsurface (do not use limestone, as this can break down and then the fines can work to block up the routes to drain the base effectively, thus rendering your surface unusable). The reason for you granite layer - is that this provides firstly a ground stabilizing layer, but more importantly your reservoir for containing a downpour, which then filters through to your well designed drainage channels, that should not be designed to take the water away as fast as possible, it should be controlled so that the surface has residual moisture left (not stay wet). If your arena will be subjected to a lot of run off water in a downpour - you may need to increase the granite layer by consequence to help prevent the arena surface washing out. Over the top of your granite - you should add another layer of membrane (again fixed to you manege boarding). You then need to decide on your surface - which personally as stated, I would avoid the rubber or sand only. The final surface is unfortunately one area that you can get fleeced on - and more of a concern now, is that there are many suppliers who make tall claims, but the end result is not as expected. This is why a lot of people opt for Rubber or Sand - as they are substantially cheaper. My advice on the surface - go and see some commercial maneges being used in reputable businesses, then ask them how they are holding up. Buy from a reputable dealer and you will buy once. Easiest way to work out depths, just use 150mm boarding around the manege fence, then this is the level of each layer. I would also recommend adding a couple of additional boards to prevent the surface being kicked out of the manege as the horses circle the arena, also helps to prevent the grass coming into the arena. Additionally - I would add some 50mm wire netting around the outside to the manege to stop the frikin rabbits. They love digging up the surface. Do not use the fine mesh netting - as this will push your boundary fence over in the wind. Size wise, 40 x 20 is considered the std domestic surface area, but 60 x 30 is a far better option honest, as it gives so much more in terms of options, but the costs do obviously go up. Also - a Manege does need planning permission. [/QUOTE]
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