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"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
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<blockquote data-quote="som farmer" data-source="post: 7445865" data-attributes="member: 86168"><p>why extraordinary ? Good farmers had good pastures, bad ones, bad pastures.</p><p> Bit of a sweeping statement, but probably not far off, if the 'good' looked after their pasture well, the better grasses came to the fore, and the reverse. It's not a lot different than some of us are experimenting with today, trying to improve grasses with management. Suprised grass seeds were that 'late', although i recall being told, that farmers saved seed from a good hay crop, from what was shaken out by hand, a good a way as any, true or false, no idea.</p><p> New ley mixes have been basically several varieties of rye grass, with/out clover. It is only more recently that the mixes have been altered to include other grasses, and/or herbs/clover, which is really going back to what was a traditional good pasture. Would like to know how weed control was achieved, or again, perhaps not, we had a 'dock puller', basically a jemmy bar, with foot plate, and a long handle, best wire strainer we had for years ! Have also heard, that on corn cut with a binder, ricked and threshed, on site, most of the weed seeds came in with the sheaths, and upon threshing, were deposited in the cleanings, and not on field, as with combines, sounds about right.</p><p> So, if we get our nice new ley, established with multi species, if managed correctly, how long should/could it last ? By using those other grasses, that have not been subjected to years of tweaking, by breeders, that has perhaps reduced the amount and viability of seeds, would we get a better self sown rate, which in turn would leave the ley lasting longer, presumably pp has a degree of self seeding, to actually last. Interesting line of thought, but if true, could save us a considerable amount of cash <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> There will always be a time for reseeding, or arable break, which would leave us with the modern tools, (round-up) to make a proper job ! The mix of new and old methods should be used, to our benefit<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="som farmer, post: 7445865, member: 86168"] why extraordinary ? Good farmers had good pastures, bad ones, bad pastures. Bit of a sweeping statement, but probably not far off, if the 'good' looked after their pasture well, the better grasses came to the fore, and the reverse. It's not a lot different than some of us are experimenting with today, trying to improve grasses with management. Suprised grass seeds were that 'late', although i recall being told, that farmers saved seed from a good hay crop, from what was shaken out by hand, a good a way as any, true or false, no idea. New ley mixes have been basically several varieties of rye grass, with/out clover. It is only more recently that the mixes have been altered to include other grasses, and/or herbs/clover, which is really going back to what was a traditional good pasture. Would like to know how weed control was achieved, or again, perhaps not, we had a 'dock puller', basically a jemmy bar, with foot plate, and a long handle, best wire strainer we had for years ! Have also heard, that on corn cut with a binder, ricked and threshed, on site, most of the weed seeds came in with the sheaths, and upon threshing, were deposited in the cleanings, and not on field, as with combines, sounds about right. So, if we get our nice new ley, established with multi species, if managed correctly, how long should/could it last ? By using those other grasses, that have not been subjected to years of tweaking, by breeders, that has perhaps reduced the amount and viability of seeds, would we get a better self sown rate, which in turn would leave the ley lasting longer, presumably pp has a degree of self seeding, to actually last. Interesting line of thought, but if true, could save us a considerable amount of cash :D There will always be a time for reseeding, or arable break, which would leave us with the modern tools, (round-up) to make a proper job ! The mix of new and old methods should be used, to our benefit;) [/QUOTE]
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