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"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
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<blockquote data-quote="som farmer" data-source="post: 7860229" data-attributes="member: 86168"><p>have managed to get in 6 cuts, before now, that is definitely costly, and the last cut, usually turns 'slimy' in the wrap. Our r/clover dominant, cut only ley, produced a protein range, 14.7 to 17.8%.</p><p>we over seeded that, with r/clover, this autumn, didn't put any fert on, for 4th cut, hoping it wouldn't be quite so quick to recover, to give the r/c time to get going, waste of time, it grew exactly the same, logical looking back, the r/c already there, provided the N !</p><p></p><p> There is the requirement to produce, good quality grass, for milk, and l am not sure 3 grazing's, in a year, would actually achieve that, we 'lost' milk, when the grass got ahead of the cows, this summer, pre mowing wasn't really an answer, although it re-set the grass, for the next round.</p><p></p><p>This is where l struggle with some principles, other than dry cows, both beef and milk, require good quality grass, within limits, the better the quality, the better the output. My opinion on this, is perhaps we should match normal grass growth, with stocking rate of cattle, or following natures growth curve. Once that curve has peaked, grass declines a bit, but clover/herbs then take over, and make management much easier - they don't go past it, quality wise.</p><p> </p><p> It is spring growth, where things hit the buffers, fert use then, looks sensible, if treated like gold dust. Or it may be that as fertility improves, grass can utilise the natural N better, and spr growth can get going, earlier. Again, perhaps this can be altered by other plant varieties, balsan clover for example, or there are plenty of legumes, to select from.</p><p></p><p>We will find answers, as l said earlier, it might be as simple as 'reversing' the timing of use, relying on the clover content, later in the year, to obtain our rocket fuel silage ! Following 3 dry summers, we have pretty well reverted back to autumn calving, so reliance on spring growth, is still very important, plan is, to knock back the concentrate, and get the milk from grass, the only difference between, spr or aut calving, is you have had the bulk peak milk, before you turn out, and not relying on it, for peak yield.</p><p></p><p>As always, there are more questions, than answers, on this ###### thread. But, by exploring other routes, we are way ahead of many, who will run into a brick wall, this year, through rising input costs, esp fert, a point many, have yet to come to realise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="som farmer, post: 7860229, member: 86168"] have managed to get in 6 cuts, before now, that is definitely costly, and the last cut, usually turns 'slimy' in the wrap. Our r/clover dominant, cut only ley, produced a protein range, 14.7 to 17.8%. we over seeded that, with r/clover, this autumn, didn't put any fert on, for 4th cut, hoping it wouldn't be quite so quick to recover, to give the r/c time to get going, waste of time, it grew exactly the same, logical looking back, the r/c already there, provided the N ! There is the requirement to produce, good quality grass, for milk, and l am not sure 3 grazing's, in a year, would actually achieve that, we 'lost' milk, when the grass got ahead of the cows, this summer, pre mowing wasn't really an answer, although it re-set the grass, for the next round. This is where l struggle with some principles, other than dry cows, both beef and milk, require good quality grass, within limits, the better the quality, the better the output. My opinion on this, is perhaps we should match normal grass growth, with stocking rate of cattle, or following natures growth curve. Once that curve has peaked, grass declines a bit, but clover/herbs then take over, and make management much easier - they don't go past it, quality wise. It is spring growth, where things hit the buffers, fert use then, looks sensible, if treated like gold dust. Or it may be that as fertility improves, grass can utilise the natural N better, and spr growth can get going, earlier. Again, perhaps this can be altered by other plant varieties, balsan clover for example, or there are plenty of legumes, to select from. We will find answers, as l said earlier, it might be as simple as 'reversing' the timing of use, relying on the clover content, later in the year, to obtain our rocket fuel silage ! Following 3 dry summers, we have pretty well reverted back to autumn calving, so reliance on spring growth, is still very important, plan is, to knock back the concentrate, and get the milk from grass, the only difference between, spr or aut calving, is you have had the bulk peak milk, before you turn out, and not relying on it, for peak yield. As always, there are more questions, than answers, on this ###### thread. But, by exploring other routes, we are way ahead of many, who will run into a brick wall, this year, through rising input costs, esp fert, a point many, have yet to come to realise. [/QUOTE]
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