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IS GREEN RENEWABLE ENERGY A CON?
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<blockquote data-quote="Foxhollow" data-source="post: 7558152" data-attributes="member: 520"><p>I totally agree it is the way renewable energy is being marketed is a con. The marketing people are conning every one that the energy they are getting is predominately renewable. There are two aspects one being how it is being produced by the electricity producers and the second is the electricity market companies selling to individuals.</p><p></p><p>In the production of electricity it is not clear how "green" and how much it costs to produce electricity from each differing solutions based on a cost per kilowatt hour taking into account building, maintaining and disposal costs. Also how much subsidy is actually being given which is essentially factored into what the end user pays. I do not think people actually understand that the subsidy is added to the cost of a unit of electricity so comparing costs of different types of electricity without subsidy would be enlightening. I totally accept we must become more environmental aware, but sometimes using existing types of energy with clean technology can be just as "green" and carbon friendly than new renewable energy when looked at cradle to grave. I accept that coal and gas were "dirty" methods of producing electricity but with technology today what is actually emitted from some of the new power stations is actually very clean in environmental terms. Environmentalist always cry extraction of fossil fuels as dirty and a blot on the landscape, but to me large scale felling of trees is just as bad if not worse.</p><p></p><p>Drax to me has always seemed to be a con as others have said the importing and transport costs does not seem efficient in a carbon emitting sense and also the actual cost taking into account the whole supply chain.</p><p></p><p>Then we come to the companies selling "renewable" energy to individuals which is one very big con. I was recently talking to a neighbor who truly believed that the electricity he was buying from a company saying they were "fully" renewable was just that from renewable sources. When I told him no one knows exactly where the electricity is from as National grid buys it and it flows to all homes exactly the same so if your paying extra for renewable electricity your being conned to which he said he had not thought of the distribution of electricity and how he may not be getting what he is paying for. Then we have all these carbon credits being traded, I'm sure the same areas of land are being counted more than once in carbon capture accounts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Foxhollow, post: 7558152, member: 520"] I totally agree it is the way renewable energy is being marketed is a con. The marketing people are conning every one that the energy they are getting is predominately renewable. There are two aspects one being how it is being produced by the electricity producers and the second is the electricity market companies selling to individuals. In the production of electricity it is not clear how "green" and how much it costs to produce electricity from each differing solutions based on a cost per kilowatt hour taking into account building, maintaining and disposal costs. Also how much subsidy is actually being given which is essentially factored into what the end user pays. I do not think people actually understand that the subsidy is added to the cost of a unit of electricity so comparing costs of different types of electricity without subsidy would be enlightening. I totally accept we must become more environmental aware, but sometimes using existing types of energy with clean technology can be just as "green" and carbon friendly than new renewable energy when looked at cradle to grave. I accept that coal and gas were "dirty" methods of producing electricity but with technology today what is actually emitted from some of the new power stations is actually very clean in environmental terms. Environmentalist always cry extraction of fossil fuels as dirty and a blot on the landscape, but to me large scale felling of trees is just as bad if not worse. Drax to me has always seemed to be a con as others have said the importing and transport costs does not seem efficient in a carbon emitting sense and also the actual cost taking into account the whole supply chain. Then we come to the companies selling "renewable" energy to individuals which is one very big con. I was recently talking to a neighbor who truly believed that the electricity he was buying from a company saying they were "fully" renewable was just that from renewable sources. When I told him no one knows exactly where the electricity is from as National grid buys it and it flows to all homes exactly the same so if your paying extra for renewable electricity your being conned to which he said he had not thought of the distribution of electricity and how he may not be getting what he is paying for. Then we have all these carbon credits being traded, I'm sure the same areas of land are being counted more than once in carbon capture accounts. [/QUOTE]
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