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John might go micro dairying...... kind of.....
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<blockquote data-quote="JohnGalway" data-source="post: 7196868" data-attributes="member: 204"><p>Where I live has a strong tourist presence seasonally, with many affluent holiday home owners originating from Dublin mostly. There's a city of I imagine 60,000 within 50 miles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Liquid milk I think is the least complicated at the moment. I am interested in raw milk, with the warning I need to look into product insurance and also the health and regulatory guidelines around it. If that is too big an issue then pasteurised but not homogenised. I don't intend for one second of my thinking to be competing with supermarket/shop milk. Direct selling plus adding value in certain ways it the gist of it. It'll never be a big numbers enterprise so I'm quite happy at block built scale buildings and simple but practical operating equipment. I intend it to be a complementary enterprise rather than a commodity/mono enterprise (without wanting to offend anyone!).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah a mobile milking set up is something I've looked at. Actually pulling it around the farm could be an issue. However, I could park it up in a building and use that as the base for the time being. I'm open minded on it. Whichever option I'd like it not to take all day all the same.</p><p></p><p>Naturally increasing the fertility with cattle/cows and chickens is something that's a fairly major component of the overall plan for sure. Rather than increase numbers, I would hope that it'll extend out the start and end times of when I'm able to graze and cut down Winter feed bills.</p><p></p><p>Concentrates, something I'd like to avoid, ideally. I don't farm an ideal farm however, I may have to bend on this notion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll never make those numbers <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> My late father I believe had around 60 cattle early in his farming career, but he would have also utilised other parcels of land, one large one wouldn't suit dairy stock, but was used for beef.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose I have three main concerns when it comes to breed. One is size and the damage a large heavy animal will do here - I see it with my neighbours and they're running angus, hereford, charollais etc. A lot of their fields are all pugged up, ankle breaking places, full of rushes. Second concern, not in any order of importance, is their outwintering ability. No more than bending on the concentrates idea I may also have to bend on the outwintering, which I have a plan for in any case. The next concern then is meeting the nutritional, energy, etc requirements of the lactating cow. I won't be profitable or regenerative if I end up with a bunch of sickly or dying cows. That said, I fully acknowledge my knowledge on the subject is limited and it may not be as big an issue as I think. I will add photos to this post.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Self spreading <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="💩" title="Pile of poo :poop:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f4a9.png" data-shortname=":poop:" /> is a good point and something I can fully agree with. Moving the milking set up could be an issue but something I'll need to think over more. The eggmobile was a slightly different issue as it'd be moved daily or every other day while a mobile parlour would need to be brought back to base for cleaning. Hm, cleaning, I'll need a mains connection somewhere for that.</p><p></p><p>The purpose of the stand off spots is so cows won't dig up pasture waiting to be milked, am I understanding that right? Not sure how our dept look on that but I see how that works. I know a sheep farmer who does similar for winter feeding a small flock. I have a number of IBC tanks (1,000 liters) already around the farm and a decent water pump. All placed on top of hills so once the water is pumped, gravity feeds the paddocks.</p><p></p><p>I can't answer the cost question right now on well vs mains. The main question over the well would be will the water be good enough quality. Mains connections can be quite spendy, heard of one north of €60,000 which is madness, not sure what the average cost is.</p><p></p><p>---------------------------------</p><p></p><p>Photos.</p><p></p><p>I always feel I should apologise for the state of the land below, but it's only recently under my management and my new thinking! So, I'm not gonna this time <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Quite well rested, would not be the average, but demonstrates with good management what the place can grow.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]915724[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Drone shots, contrasts the unimproved land around my land. It needs significant work, but needs to generate income to pay for that work also.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]915725[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Are we close to the sea, a bit. All these places can grow lots of grass, without fertiliser. The quality of which, I don't know? Not all of the land is great, obviously.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]915727[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Currently setting posts in the field below, of around 18 acres, so I can use electric fencing to make paddocks of 1 acre or more at a time, or strip graze. I'll do the same in the photo above, already mapped it out. Working on the other place but the walls make it more work again.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]915729[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Almost forgot, here is where the water get's pumped from, centre top and top rght. Be surprised how much it holds, even pumping 1 or 2 thousand litres during the height of our "drought" didn't make a dent in the water levels. </p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]915730[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnGalway, post: 7196868, member: 204"] Where I live has a strong tourist presence seasonally, with many affluent holiday home owners originating from Dublin mostly. There's a city of I imagine 60,000 within 50 miles. Liquid milk I think is the least complicated at the moment. I am interested in raw milk, with the warning I need to look into product insurance and also the health and regulatory guidelines around it. If that is too big an issue then pasteurised but not homogenised. I don't intend for one second of my thinking to be competing with supermarket/shop milk. Direct selling plus adding value in certain ways it the gist of it. It'll never be a big numbers enterprise so I'm quite happy at block built scale buildings and simple but practical operating equipment. I intend it to be a complementary enterprise rather than a commodity/mono enterprise (without wanting to offend anyone!). Yeah a mobile milking set up is something I've looked at. Actually pulling it around the farm could be an issue. However, I could park it up in a building and use that as the base for the time being. I'm open minded on it. Whichever option I'd like it not to take all day all the same. Naturally increasing the fertility with cattle/cows and chickens is something that's a fairly major component of the overall plan for sure. Rather than increase numbers, I would hope that it'll extend out the start and end times of when I'm able to graze and cut down Winter feed bills. Concentrates, something I'd like to avoid, ideally. I don't farm an ideal farm however, I may have to bend on this notion. I'll never make those numbers :) My late father I believe had around 60 cattle early in his farming career, but he would have also utilised other parcels of land, one large one wouldn't suit dairy stock, but was used for beef. I suppose I have three main concerns when it comes to breed. One is size and the damage a large heavy animal will do here - I see it with my neighbours and they're running angus, hereford, charollais etc. A lot of their fields are all pugged up, ankle breaking places, full of rushes. Second concern, not in any order of importance, is their outwintering ability. No more than bending on the concentrates idea I may also have to bend on the outwintering, which I have a plan for in any case. The next concern then is meeting the nutritional, energy, etc requirements of the lactating cow. I won't be profitable or regenerative if I end up with a bunch of sickly or dying cows. That said, I fully acknowledge my knowledge on the subject is limited and it may not be as big an issue as I think. I will add photos to this post. Self spreading 💩 is a good point and something I can fully agree with. Moving the milking set up could be an issue but something I'll need to think over more. The eggmobile was a slightly different issue as it'd be moved daily or every other day while a mobile parlour would need to be brought back to base for cleaning. Hm, cleaning, I'll need a mains connection somewhere for that. The purpose of the stand off spots is so cows won't dig up pasture waiting to be milked, am I understanding that right? Not sure how our dept look on that but I see how that works. I know a sheep farmer who does similar for winter feeding a small flock. I have a number of IBC tanks (1,000 liters) already around the farm and a decent water pump. All placed on top of hills so once the water is pumped, gravity feeds the paddocks. I can't answer the cost question right now on well vs mains. The main question over the well would be will the water be good enough quality. Mains connections can be quite spendy, heard of one north of €60,000 which is madness, not sure what the average cost is. --------------------------------- Photos. I always feel I should apologise for the state of the land below, but it's only recently under my management and my new thinking! So, I'm not gonna this time :) Quite well rested, would not be the average, but demonstrates with good management what the place can grow. [ATTACH type="full" alt="EjKiTxOXsAAl78H.jpg"]915724[/ATTACH] Drone shots, contrasts the unimproved land around my land. It needs significant work, but needs to generate income to pay for that work also. [ATTACH type="full" alt="DJI_0741.JPG"]915725[/ATTACH] Are we close to the sea, a bit. All these places can grow lots of grass, without fertiliser. The quality of which, I don't know? Not all of the land is great, obviously. [ATTACH type="full" alt="DJI_0723.JPG"]915727[/ATTACH] Currently setting posts in the field below, of around 18 acres, so I can use electric fencing to make paddocks of 1 acre or more at a time, or strip graze. I'll do the same in the photo above, already mapped it out. Working on the other place but the walls make it more work again. [ATTACH type="full" alt="DJI_0705.JPG"]915729[/ATTACH] Almost forgot, here is where the water get's pumped from, centre top and top rght. Be surprised how much it holds, even pumping 1 or 2 thousand litres during the height of our "drought" didn't make a dent in the water levels. [ATTACH type="full"]915730[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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