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Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
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<blockquote data-quote="Danllan" data-source="post: 8134079" data-attributes="member: 8735"><p>[USER=137]@Muck Spreader[/USER] I chatted with a chum in France at lunchtime, he voted for but does not like Macron and is very pro EU, but not to the point of ending the nation states. We talked about the coming NATO enlargement and the UK acting as a security guarantor yesterday, and he said something like: </p><p></p><p>'I can't believe it that the UK has effectively brought them under its nuclear umbrella, what the f*ck is Macron doing? It should be France offering that, what message is this sending when we talk to Putin and the only country to leave the EU is offering these countries more security than any of us?'</p><p></p><p>(My paraphrasing in part, because, poor fellow, my French is actually better than his English... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite67" alt=":woot:" title="Woot :woot:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":woot:" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite20" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" />)</p><p></p><p>Obviously this raised a smile from me; but he's a serious fellow, fairly political, well connected etc. etc. and he thinks France is not pulling its weight in this matter, to put it mildly. He's a realist, so he didn't claim that everyone in France thinks this, but he reckons that Macron is going to face a fair bit of internal opposition from EUrophiles in both his party and France as a whole, unless he starts to be more proactive regarding the Eastern and, now, the Baltic states. </p><p></p><p>He agrees with most of my analysis of what Macron should be doing - from a pro-France and pro-EU perspective I mean - really only differing in that he thinks there should be an EU based QRF in parallel to NATO.</p><p></p><p>I think that's barking, firstly because from a NATO perspective it just drains resources; secondly, because it would really p!ss off non EU NATO members; and thirdly because it simply couldn't hope to match or even come close to anything NATO could do, so would make its participants look not only like splitters, but laughable ones too.</p><p></p><p>Your thoughts...?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danllan, post: 8134079, member: 8735"] [USER=137]@Muck Spreader[/USER] I chatted with a chum in France at lunchtime, he voted for but does not like Macron and is very pro EU, but not to the point of ending the nation states. We talked about the coming NATO enlargement and the UK acting as a security guarantor yesterday, and he said something like: 'I can't believe it that the UK has effectively brought them under its nuclear umbrella, what the f*ck is Macron doing? It should be France offering that, what message is this sending when we talk to Putin and the only country to leave the EU is offering these countries more security than any of us?' (My paraphrasing in part, because, poor fellow, my French is actually better than his English... :woot: :ROFLMAO:) Obviously this raised a smile from me; but he's a serious fellow, fairly political, well connected etc. etc. and he thinks France is not pulling its weight in this matter, to put it mildly. He's a realist, so he didn't claim that everyone in France thinks this, but he reckons that Macron is going to face a fair bit of internal opposition from EUrophiles in both his party and France as a whole, unless he starts to be more proactive regarding the Eastern and, now, the Baltic states. He agrees with most of my analysis of what Macron should be doing - from a pro-France and pro-EU perspective I mean - really only differing in that he thinks there should be an EU based QRF in parallel to NATO. I think that's barking, firstly because from a NATO perspective it just drains resources; secondly, because it would really p!ss off non EU NATO members; and thirdly because it simply couldn't hope to match or even come close to anything NATO could do, so would make its participants look not only like splitters, but laughable ones too. Your thoughts...? [/QUOTE]
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