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<blockquote data-quote="Grass And Grain" data-source="post: 8201953" data-attributes="member: 23184"><p>Think pig and poultry are whole life assurance, and in fact poultry need to come from a RT hatchery iirc. Also, seem to remember store pigs can't be purchased from a live market (not sure about that one, would have to look it up).</p><p></p><p>Pig and poultry really seem to get hammered on price by the processors and retailers, so don't get the premium for the whole life assurance. Or at least, those industries are sometimes on negative margins!</p><p></p><p>So, I don't disagree that beef & lamb RT rules allowing 90 day residency to them pick up a RT sticker is nonsense, and makes the whole thing a sham.</p><p></p><p>But where to go from there?</p><p></p><p>Suggest RT go WLA for beef and lamb, then as someone pointed out it's very unlikely to command a price premium, but maybe more vertical integration of the supply chain, and maybe more control by processors and retailers (as in pig and poultry). They then only need to add in 'store sheep and cattle cannot be traded at a live market (or slaughter market)' and that's even less competition in the marketplace.</p><p></p><p>In Republic of Ireland Borda Bia have negotiated a price premium for assured stock at the slaughterhouse, but if they will only purchase assured, I'm not certain how we determine if slaughter house pays market price plus a FA premium, or if they knock off the supposed premium from their base price before they then itemise the FA premium and add it back on!</p><p></p><p>You could have 2 × qualities for FA. Whole Life Assured, or minimum 90 day residency stock, and see what the price difference is. But what will happen long term. Will the supermarkets just stamp their feet and say we want WLA, then if no-one wants 90 day residency, are we back to no price premium for the WLA? I don't know, but there seems to be a tendancy over the years for supermarkets to want more and more standards from RT, and for the farmer to provide those "extras" just to be allowed to sell to the supermarket.</p><p></p><p>It's tricky to get straight in one's head.</p><p></p><p>We're using the WLA example here, so let's just stick with it as our example, but it could be grain or other produce. Standard RT, or RT+...</p><p></p><p>Now, is there any chance of getting supermarkets to retain RT (90 day stock) as an acceptable standard, but only offer them warranty of the higher WLA standard if they pay up. I fear it's not possible, but if it is, and they don't drop Standard RT as acceptable, then great.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how prevent them morphing into ALWAYS wanting WLA (or RT+ if you like). The industry has continually wanted mission creep, extra standards, and for the farmer to provide it for free.</p><p></p><p>Any wisdom welcome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grass And Grain, post: 8201953, member: 23184"] Think pig and poultry are whole life assurance, and in fact poultry need to come from a RT hatchery iirc. Also, seem to remember store pigs can't be purchased from a live market (not sure about that one, would have to look it up). Pig and poultry really seem to get hammered on price by the processors and retailers, so don't get the premium for the whole life assurance. Or at least, those industries are sometimes on negative margins! So, I don't disagree that beef & lamb RT rules allowing 90 day residency to them pick up a RT sticker is nonsense, and makes the whole thing a sham. But where to go from there? Suggest RT go WLA for beef and lamb, then as someone pointed out it's very unlikely to command a price premium, but maybe more vertical integration of the supply chain, and maybe more control by processors and retailers (as in pig and poultry). They then only need to add in 'store sheep and cattle cannot be traded at a live market (or slaughter market)' and that's even less competition in the marketplace. In Republic of Ireland Borda Bia have negotiated a price premium for assured stock at the slaughterhouse, but if they will only purchase assured, I'm not certain how we determine if slaughter house pays market price plus a FA premium, or if they knock off the supposed premium from their base price before they then itemise the FA premium and add it back on! You could have 2 × qualities for FA. Whole Life Assured, or minimum 90 day residency stock, and see what the price difference is. But what will happen long term. Will the supermarkets just stamp their feet and say we want WLA, then if no-one wants 90 day residency, are we back to no price premium for the WLA? I don't know, but there seems to be a tendancy over the years for supermarkets to want more and more standards from RT, and for the farmer to provide those "extras" just to be allowed to sell to the supermarket. It's tricky to get straight in one's head. We're using the WLA example here, so let's just stick with it as our example, but it could be grain or other produce. Standard RT, or RT+... Now, is there any chance of getting supermarkets to retain RT (90 day stock) as an acceptable standard, but only offer them warranty of the higher WLA standard if they pay up. I fear it's not possible, but if it is, and they don't drop Standard RT as acceptable, then great. I don't know how prevent them morphing into ALWAYS wanting WLA (or RT+ if you like). The industry has continually wanted mission creep, extra standards, and for the farmer to provide it for free. Any wisdom welcome. [/QUOTE]
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