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Organic no till
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<blockquote data-quote="scotston" data-source="post: 7391099" data-attributes="member: 32666"><p>David_A You sound like a fellow to have a chat with. Aren't organic and not fully DD. A man betwixt and between methinks. It would be ideal to get winter covers to establish in a sensible fashion but tricky up here. We have successfully drilled a winter radish after potatoes in september/early october, and in most of our now mild-ish winters (not this one). Doesn't look much up top but lovely underneath. Seemed a very easy and sensible way to repair the damage. We are now abandoning tatties for soil and economic reasons. The rent doesn't touch an average crop of org beans at £400/t, 1.4t/ac or oats at £290/t, 2t/ac. I'm happy with the thought of cropping every second season, cover after cover if the cash crop is a belter. I had a look through and saw that Mr Bailey has already created a post on the flip side of this one, namely going from DD to organic. Some interesting points were raised but not sure if I'm over stepping my position here by noting that most DD hate the idea of any cultivation, including inter row weeding? We are battling with the contradiction of 150mm row spacings with 10- 20% increased seed rate to create a canopy to prevent weeds and bigger rows to allow the inter row weeder a chance to do its thing. Our 3 year grass leys are fantastic at weed control but a bugger to break down and drill wheat into, the grass always comes back unless it's ploughed down 10". We need to investigate slicing and dicing it and then maybe using a shallow plough to invert what has hopefully become dead roots. We have a brilliant arrangement with an organic hill farmer who gets paid to move his blackies off the hills through the winter - they are mountain goats so need good fences, but they eat everything. Not a banking by a dyke left untouched. Then when the ley comes back in spring we can silage it and turn the cattle out on it. Definitely think an organic system needs a bit of livestock to help grease the wheels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scotston, post: 7391099, member: 32666"] David_A You sound like a fellow to have a chat with. Aren't organic and not fully DD. A man betwixt and between methinks. It would be ideal to get winter covers to establish in a sensible fashion but tricky up here. We have successfully drilled a winter radish after potatoes in september/early october, and in most of our now mild-ish winters (not this one). Doesn't look much up top but lovely underneath. Seemed a very easy and sensible way to repair the damage. We are now abandoning tatties for soil and economic reasons. The rent doesn't touch an average crop of org beans at £400/t, 1.4t/ac or oats at £290/t, 2t/ac. I'm happy with the thought of cropping every second season, cover after cover if the cash crop is a belter. I had a look through and saw that Mr Bailey has already created a post on the flip side of this one, namely going from DD to organic. Some interesting points were raised but not sure if I'm over stepping my position here by noting that most DD hate the idea of any cultivation, including inter row weeding? We are battling with the contradiction of 150mm row spacings with 10- 20% increased seed rate to create a canopy to prevent weeds and bigger rows to allow the inter row weeder a chance to do its thing. Our 3 year grass leys are fantastic at weed control but a bugger to break down and drill wheat into, the grass always comes back unless it's ploughed down 10". We need to investigate slicing and dicing it and then maybe using a shallow plough to invert what has hopefully become dead roots. We have a brilliant arrangement with an organic hill farmer who gets paid to move his blackies off the hills through the winter - they are mountain goats so need good fences, but they eat everything. Not a banking by a dyke left untouched. Then when the ley comes back in spring we can silage it and turn the cattle out on it. Definitely think an organic system needs a bit of livestock to help grease the wheels. [/QUOTE]
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