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<blockquote data-quote="SilliamWhale" data-source="post: 7658356" data-attributes="member: 1232"><p>Clive's carbon deal is voluntary and he gets a delivered premium into his bank account.</p><p></p><p>RT isn't really voluntary at any practical level unless you seek to defraud the market. Which is easily done but why should we lie? </p><p></p><p>One of the reasons for this is that various organisations have organised themselves as a sort of ring of steel - mainly Red Tractor and AIC to prevent others from introducing an alternative product to the market. As I've said we effectively have a private company with no official mandate, blocking market access. You are the only one on this thread who thinks that is healthy. </p><p></p><p> They have spent 20 years building up this sort of scenario from which you can only sell if you in effect pay to access the market. I think the efforts to shame the NFU into recognising their position are going to be drip drip away in terms of support for them - good people in that organisation have become laughing stocks and objects of derision which is really a shame. </p><p></p><p>So in terms of stepping up to the plate its quite tricky. I think we will get there eventually, but I have to say yes men like yourself who cannot see that monopolism festers resentment are probably the least likely to understand the challenge</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SilliamWhale, post: 7658356, member: 1232"] Clive's carbon deal is voluntary and he gets a delivered premium into his bank account. RT isn't really voluntary at any practical level unless you seek to defraud the market. Which is easily done but why should we lie? One of the reasons for this is that various organisations have organised themselves as a sort of ring of steel - mainly Red Tractor and AIC to prevent others from introducing an alternative product to the market. As I've said we effectively have a private company with no official mandate, blocking market access. You are the only one on this thread who thinks that is healthy. They have spent 20 years building up this sort of scenario from which you can only sell if you in effect pay to access the market. I think the efforts to shame the NFU into recognising their position are going to be drip drip away in terms of support for them - good people in that organisation have become laughing stocks and objects of derision which is really a shame. So in terms of stepping up to the plate its quite tricky. I think we will get there eventually, but I have to say yes men like yourself who cannot see that monopolism festers resentment are probably the least likely to understand the challenge [/QUOTE]
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