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<blockquote data-quote="Cowabunga" data-source="post: 7547500" data-attributes="member: 718"><p>I agree but everything hits a bottom value at some point. There may also be a certain snob value for a significant proportion of owners of this kind of vehicle, which, with an irrational emotional involvement with their car may account for some of the aggressively defensive postures encountered when anything other than total praise is mentioned.</p><p></p><p>People do modify pickups with larger tyres, lifts and lockers also, so comparing a much modified vehicle with standard is not really relevant. In stock trim neither the pickup nor the LC are worth a damn on wet grassland slopes for instance, especially not the LC which is too heavy and whose tyres are too wide. Yes, of course you can modify both vehicles to make them more capable for the conditions.</p><p>I’ve no quibble with the LC being built to a higher quality standard. It did cost from £43,000 at launch of the 100 series in 1998, which was about four times the price of a Ranger back then. It was in a totally different league back in 1998, but time, tide, improving built quality and technology and engineering advances wait for no man. It is a vehicle of its time.</p><p></p><p>It’s replacement, the 200 series, never caught on or sold in the same way as the 100 series and despite the improvements it was out of date even when launched. It lost out big time to the JLR models in the UK. Where the 100 series could compete here up until the V8 diesel Range Rover was launched, the 200 just bombed. In other regions it sold fine with Toyota having a far superior dealer and backup network worldwide than JLR. Both the 150 and 200 LC are now less competitive against newer worldwide rivals from JLR and the US brands and are at the end of their production life. There will soon be a replacement range from Toyota, presumably with electrification in mind as well as IC engines for more remote and/or oil rich regions. No doubt that this will be a major advance on the two current LC designs that have their origin back in the late 1980's.</p><p></p><p>Obviously the older vehicles will be no worse now and in the future than when they were top dogs. Just that younger dogs have taken the top spot away. It is a testament to the quality of the original design that they have lasted in production this long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cowabunga, post: 7547500, member: 718"] I agree but everything hits a bottom value at some point. There may also be a certain snob value for a significant proportion of owners of this kind of vehicle, which, with an irrational emotional involvement with their car may account for some of the aggressively defensive postures encountered when anything other than total praise is mentioned. People do modify pickups with larger tyres, lifts and lockers also, so comparing a much modified vehicle with standard is not really relevant. In stock trim neither the pickup nor the LC are worth a damn on wet grassland slopes for instance, especially not the LC which is too heavy and whose tyres are too wide. Yes, of course you can modify both vehicles to make them more capable for the conditions. I’ve no quibble with the LC being built to a higher quality standard. It did cost from £43,000 at launch of the 100 series in 1998, which was about four times the price of a Ranger back then. It was in a totally different league back in 1998, but time, tide, improving built quality and technology and engineering advances wait for no man. It is a vehicle of its time. It’s replacement, the 200 series, never caught on or sold in the same way as the 100 series and despite the improvements it was out of date even when launched. It lost out big time to the JLR models in the UK. Where the 100 series could compete here up until the V8 diesel Range Rover was launched, the 200 just bombed. In other regions it sold fine with Toyota having a far superior dealer and backup network worldwide than JLR. Both the 150 and 200 LC are now less competitive against newer worldwide rivals from JLR and the US brands and are at the end of their production life. There will soon be a replacement range from Toyota, presumably with electrification in mind as well as IC engines for more remote and/or oil rich regions. No doubt that this will be a major advance on the two current LC designs that have their origin back in the late 1980's. Obviously the older vehicles will be no worse now and in the future than when they were top dogs. Just that younger dogs have taken the top spot away. It is a testament to the quality of the original design that they have lasted in production this long. [/QUOTE]
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