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<blockquote data-quote="Goweresque" data-source="post: 7859608" data-attributes="member: 818"><p>No its not what we are doing now. The idea of vaccinating young people and children is totally contra to what needs to be done, even if you ignore the ethical issues with giving young people a vaccine that is more dangerous to them than having the illness itself. Vaccinating everyone creates an environment where everyone's immune response is the same. This is incredibly dangerous, as it makes everyone vulnerable should a very virulent variant come along that is specifically targeted at avoiding the spike protein antibodies. </p><p></p><p>In nature, with viruses like the flu, the population does not all have identical immune responses, because they all catch different variants at different times. So there is a layered immune response within the population as a whole. A flu variant might be very good at targeting people with a certain immune response, but it won't go through the entire country as there are loads of different immune responses out there, which are better at coping with it. It does a number on the vulnerable ones but the rest survive fine. This is why we have 'bad' flu years - that years variant has evolved to target a new section of society that was previous immune, often an older cohort who then die in significant numbers from it. </p><p></p><p>We are now creating a highly vulnerable society, all our eggs are in one immunity basket in effect. Thats why vaccination should have been for the elderly and the immune compromised only, their need for protection in the short term is greater than the needs of society as a whole to have a varied immune response. Everyone else should have been left to get covid naturally over time and create the layered immunity we have to flu. We should certainly stop vaccinating children. That is insanity. </p><p></p><p>But of course this is politically impossible, because if you vaccinate the over 60s (say) plus those under 60 who are immune compromised, and someone who didn't get the vaccine dies then all hell breaks loose. We do not have a process anymore that says 'You know what, you will have to take a risk for the good of the collective as whole in the long term'. Even if the number of deaths in the future could be massively higher as a result, those deaths are theoretical, while any happening now are very much real, and are politically unacceptable. Which brings me back to the political event horizon - its far too short, and cannot make decisions that are painful in the short term, but the right one in the long term. It can only deal with the here and now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goweresque, post: 7859608, member: 818"] No its not what we are doing now. The idea of vaccinating young people and children is totally contra to what needs to be done, even if you ignore the ethical issues with giving young people a vaccine that is more dangerous to them than having the illness itself. Vaccinating everyone creates an environment where everyone's immune response is the same. This is incredibly dangerous, as it makes everyone vulnerable should a very virulent variant come along that is specifically targeted at avoiding the spike protein antibodies. In nature, with viruses like the flu, the population does not all have identical immune responses, because they all catch different variants at different times. So there is a layered immune response within the population as a whole. A flu variant might be very good at targeting people with a certain immune response, but it won't go through the entire country as there are loads of different immune responses out there, which are better at coping with it. It does a number on the vulnerable ones but the rest survive fine. This is why we have 'bad' flu years - that years variant has evolved to target a new section of society that was previous immune, often an older cohort who then die in significant numbers from it. We are now creating a highly vulnerable society, all our eggs are in one immunity basket in effect. Thats why vaccination should have been for the elderly and the immune compromised only, their need for protection in the short term is greater than the needs of society as a whole to have a varied immune response. Everyone else should have been left to get covid naturally over time and create the layered immunity we have to flu. We should certainly stop vaccinating children. That is insanity. But of course this is politically impossible, because if you vaccinate the over 60s (say) plus those under 60 who are immune compromised, and someone who didn't get the vaccine dies then all hell breaks loose. We do not have a process anymore that says 'You know what, you will have to take a risk for the good of the collective as whole in the long term'. Even if the number of deaths in the future could be massively higher as a result, those deaths are theoretical, while any happening now are very much real, and are politically unacceptable. Which brings me back to the political event horizon - its far too short, and cannot make decisions that are painful in the short term, but the right one in the long term. It can only deal with the here and now. [/QUOTE]
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