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<blockquote data-quote="Old McDonald" data-source="post: 6910871" data-attributes="member: 47276"><p>You are still missing what I have been posting. This is at least the fourth thread which purports to show that Sweden is a paragon in its handling of the virus. I say it is not and some posters want to argue with me. Fair enough, debate is good, but in support of that argument there is a need to show that Sweden is doing better with its infected people than at least a large majority of other countries. To fail to show this results in my contention that it is doing no better than many others, and decidedly worse than some.</p><p></p><p>I used Portugal as a comparison and example of only one country amongst many which is keeping virus cases alive much better than Sweden. We all know that the deaths numbers numbers are a guide, and not claimed to be 100% accurate. There will be some who died from the virus who were not recorded as having done so and vice versa.</p><p></p><p>What can be done is to follow the outcome of confirmed cases, and here it is necessary to consider the outcome in relation to other countries, because that determines whether Sweden is as good as some have claimed. A confirmed case will be one that has tested positive – the exception being Belgium which is recording deaths in care homes that are only suspect cases and they then become confirmed cases without testing. Belgium says it is the only country in the world doing this. Apart from this anomaly the average outcome shows your chances of survival in any country if you become infected and recorded as such, which shows how well the country is handling the virus. I have said I would prefer to take my chances in Portugal rather than Sweden. At least one poster said they preferred Sweden.</p><p></p><p>The only good outcome is survival, and it is accepted some will have lifelong problems, but the alternative is death. The definition of recovered may well vary too, but it does indicate that the patient is still alive. There are lots of countries where the survival rate is considerably higher than Sweden. This shows that up until now these countries are performing better than Sweden. Unfortunately the UK and some other European countries also fare badly in this respect.</p><p></p><p>I have absolutely nothing against Sweden and my volunteer grocery delivery man is Swedish. We are going as long as possible between home deliveries of foodstuffs (twice so far after more than 7 weeks of self-imposed isolation) and we would survive without him, but the deliveries do make meals more appetising and interesting, and we are extremely grateful to our volunteer. He has told us there have never been any shortages in the shops such as we have been told happened in other countries, so numerous businesses have been operating and many people have been working to keep the shelves stocked. This could be the reason Portugal has seen more cases than Sweden. An alternative brand to our usual was sometimes provided in the first delivery but we have not failed to obtain what we needed.</p><p></p><p>You cannot know what effect there will be on any country’s economy in a year’s time. Or what will happen with the number of cases in the future. My posts have always been that Sweden is not so far showing that it has handled the virus as well as many other countries, yet I repeat this is at least the fourth thread claiming it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old McDonald, post: 6910871, member: 47276"] You are still missing what I have been posting. This is at least the fourth thread which purports to show that Sweden is a paragon in its handling of the virus. I say it is not and some posters want to argue with me. Fair enough, debate is good, but in support of that argument there is a need to show that Sweden is doing better with its infected people than at least a large majority of other countries. To fail to show this results in my contention that it is doing no better than many others, and decidedly worse than some. I used Portugal as a comparison and example of only one country amongst many which is keeping virus cases alive much better than Sweden. We all know that the deaths numbers numbers are a guide, and not claimed to be 100% accurate. There will be some who died from the virus who were not recorded as having done so and vice versa. What can be done is to follow the outcome of confirmed cases, and here it is necessary to consider the outcome in relation to other countries, because that determines whether Sweden is as good as some have claimed. A confirmed case will be one that has tested positive – the exception being Belgium which is recording deaths in care homes that are only suspect cases and they then become confirmed cases without testing. Belgium says it is the only country in the world doing this. Apart from this anomaly the average outcome shows your chances of survival in any country if you become infected and recorded as such, which shows how well the country is handling the virus. I have said I would prefer to take my chances in Portugal rather than Sweden. At least one poster said they preferred Sweden. The only good outcome is survival, and it is accepted some will have lifelong problems, but the alternative is death. The definition of recovered may well vary too, but it does indicate that the patient is still alive. There are lots of countries where the survival rate is considerably higher than Sweden. This shows that up until now these countries are performing better than Sweden. Unfortunately the UK and some other European countries also fare badly in this respect. I have absolutely nothing against Sweden and my volunteer grocery delivery man is Swedish. We are going as long as possible between home deliveries of foodstuffs (twice so far after more than 7 weeks of self-imposed isolation) and we would survive without him, but the deliveries do make meals more appetising and interesting, and we are extremely grateful to our volunteer. He has told us there have never been any shortages in the shops such as we have been told happened in other countries, so numerous businesses have been operating and many people have been working to keep the shelves stocked. This could be the reason Portugal has seen more cases than Sweden. An alternative brand to our usual was sometimes provided in the first delivery but we have not failed to obtain what we needed. You cannot know what effect there will be on any country’s economy in a year’s time. Or what will happen with the number of cases in the future. My posts have always been that Sweden is not so far showing that it has handled the virus as well as many other countries, yet I repeat this is at least the fourth thread claiming it is. [/QUOTE]
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