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<blockquote data-quote="Two Tone" data-source="post: 7510335" data-attributes="member: 44728"><p>Thanks for that, but my experiences here have been a little different. IMO, crops have got to be looking exceptionally good before I would consider adding Modus. Every time I have done so, yields have been reduced by at least a tonne/ha. Often allowing the less better Springtime looking crops to outyield the Modus treated crops.</p><p></p><p>When using Atlantis/ Pacifica/Hatra in the Spring, about a week later, it looks like we forgot to put any N on that crop and it takes 3 weeks before it gets all its colour back.</p><p>On top of which, results became very poor as regards BG control. It was almost like the BG became so resistant to it that the then stunted wheat let it have an even greater chance to become even more dominant.</p><p>This is what forced me to abandon Min-til and go fully back to ploughing. Using tall Wheat varieties and Hybrid Barleys also helped the need for using Atlantis completely. </p><p>I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the tallness helps reduce the BG burden, which may account for some of the lower yields where Modus was used.</p><p></p><p>I have now got BG back under control enough to try absolute minimal disturbance Zero-til drilling. Which, because it doesn’t disturb the soil enough to release soil nutrients so easily early on, which in itself also acts as a PGR. Then, once you get to late April/early May, those crops seem to catch up with the conventionally drilled crops. I am already seeing this with my Hybrid Barley. But they certainly won’t be getting Modus.</p><p></p><p>I can understand why some Agronomists might think their Farmer’s might think they have failed if the crops they look after lodge. But I believe that too many PGR’s are being used unnecessarily, costing extra expenses and potential yield.</p><p>Some Farmers will override their advice and take the risk, whist others just do as they are told.</p><p></p><p>I too have never had lodged crops, other than they have been stampeded through by cattle - twice in the same field on one occasion! Which forced me to plough that field for the following crop and suddenly revealed to me again the dramatically increased effect on Blackgrass control that ploughing causes. Hence, the following year and the five after, everything was ploughed from then on until I became confident enough to try Zero-til.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Two Tone, post: 7510335, member: 44728"] Thanks for that, but my experiences here have been a little different. IMO, crops have got to be looking exceptionally good before I would consider adding Modus. Every time I have done so, yields have been reduced by at least a tonne/ha. Often allowing the less better Springtime looking crops to outyield the Modus treated crops. When using Atlantis/ Pacifica/Hatra in the Spring, about a week later, it looks like we forgot to put any N on that crop and it takes 3 weeks before it gets all its colour back. On top of which, results became very poor as regards BG control. It was almost like the BG became so resistant to it that the then stunted wheat let it have an even greater chance to become even more dominant. This is what forced me to abandon Min-til and go fully back to ploughing. Using tall Wheat varieties and Hybrid Barleys also helped the need for using Atlantis completely. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the tallness helps reduce the BG burden, which may account for some of the lower yields where Modus was used. I have now got BG back under control enough to try absolute minimal disturbance Zero-til drilling. Which, because it doesn’t disturb the soil enough to release soil nutrients so easily early on, which in itself also acts as a PGR. Then, once you get to late April/early May, those crops seem to catch up with the conventionally drilled crops. I am already seeing this with my Hybrid Barley. But they certainly won’t be getting Modus. I can understand why some Agronomists might think their Farmer’s might think they have failed if the crops they look after lodge. But I believe that too many PGR’s are being used unnecessarily, costing extra expenses and potential yield. Some Farmers will override their advice and take the risk, whist others just do as they are told. I too have never had lodged crops, other than they have been stampeded through by cattle - twice in the same field on one occasion! Which forced me to plough that field for the following crop and suddenly revealed to me again the dramatically increased effect on Blackgrass control that ploughing causes. Hence, the following year and the five after, everything was ploughed from then on until I became confident enough to try Zero-til. [/QUOTE]
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