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<blockquote data-quote="Kiwi Pete" data-source="post: 6686535" data-attributes="member: 63856"><p>Wait til you see no-chem no-till at work, unfortunately many on this thread have spent their whole careers chasing unsustainable solutions.</p><p></p><p>If neither chemistry nor physical disturbance hold the keys, can anyone think of another science to try? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite26" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure :unsure:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":unsure:" /></p><p></p><p>The simple answer is that soils are degraded from either form of stressor, hence my use of the word "unsustainable". </p><p>Most cropping methods are unsustainable so please, don't feel as this is an attack</p><p></p><p>So .... the future obviously lies in not continuing doing things to your soils that compact, disturb, or extract from them, because your soil biology has been hammered for hundreds to thousands of years with mouldboards, and now Batemans.</p><p>Residues robbed, maybe swapped for some cowshit, but that's by the by.</p><p></p><p>I personally believe that you don't have a future if you do not change the way you think about "being a cropping farmer" and all that entails, because:</p><p></p><p>Your yields are far too high</p><p></p><p>Your rotations lack any semblance of diversity, and your cash crops roll around too fast</p><p></p><p>Annual crops are just too energy hungry/inefficient, thus you need to plant too much area into them</p><p></p><p>You're limited by your paradigms that the only thing to take this "food" away is a combine harvester</p><p></p><p>Many of your soil biomes are more suited to woodland, but you don't embrace those possibilities</p><p></p><p>Lack of livestock-ability in some cases, why worry about crimping rollers when people can't feed the stock they've got?</p><p></p><p>You most all are blinkered by ag-chem spin, and popular science makes you dismissive of what's right in front of you, this isn't your faults but represents a great opportunity to learn new things, that are old things elsewhere in the world</p><p></p><p>You really need to forget about "feeding the country/world" and stop sending your margin to town; they aren't grateful enough to send you back their sh!t so forget the "production at all costs" from 70 years ago, yes The War ended</p><p></p><p>You also need to realise that this pesticide-based no-till system is just as much of a fungi-killer as full tillage, we all evolved from fungi and so to declare war on fungi (even unwittingly, because the chemists weren't allowed to say) is at a stroke, declaring war on your humus production, and also on humans (humans, humus, get it yet)</p><p></p><p>Most ALL civilisations owe their extinction to soil depletion, this time due to our other failings (nitrogen salts, plastic pollution, waste, and sheer energy consumption) we won't have another go</p><p></p><p>Homo sapiens survived homo neanderthalensis because sapiens could survive on 3000kj and neanderthalensis needed 5000kj</p><p>Modern sapiens RDI 8700kj</p><p></p><p>Modern industrial ag requires 10j of fossil energy per j of food output, so if we keep this up we are approximately 33 times as FÙCKED as the Neanderthals were, remember nearly all of our food supply was foraged for for 200,000 years, agricultural techniques began 10-15,000 years ago but it's only been in the past 80 years that this great dependency on "inputs" began at all.</p><p></p><p>It's only been in the past 50 years that many current ailments have been discovered, again due mainly to diet, and the toxins entering our cells from this diet</p><p></p><p>What we have entered is the new age, that where agriculture and general society look back to where we went wrong (increase food supply instead of control the population) and ask some tough questions</p><p></p><p>If you think the end of glyphosate is the end of the world, then get out while you can is my best advice, because you're probably not going to be able to make the necessary change to your paradigm in time to save your businesses.</p><p></p><p>Sorry folks, as you were, keen to see who wins the latest p!ssing contest about plough vs pesticide</p><p>(You're tied, BTW)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kiwi Pete, post: 6686535, member: 63856"] Wait til you see no-chem no-till at work, unfortunately many on this thread have spent their whole careers chasing unsustainable solutions. If neither chemistry nor physical disturbance hold the keys, can anyone think of another science to try? :unsure: The simple answer is that soils are degraded from either form of stressor, hence my use of the word "unsustainable". Most cropping methods are unsustainable so please, don't feel as this is an attack So .... the future obviously lies in not continuing doing things to your soils that compact, disturb, or extract from them, because your soil biology has been hammered for hundreds to thousands of years with mouldboards, and now Batemans. Residues robbed, maybe swapped for some cowshit, but that's by the by. I personally believe that you don't have a future if you do not change the way you think about "being a cropping farmer" and all that entails, because: Your yields are far too high Your rotations lack any semblance of diversity, and your cash crops roll around too fast Annual crops are just too energy hungry/inefficient, thus you need to plant too much area into them You're limited by your paradigms that the only thing to take this "food" away is a combine harvester Many of your soil biomes are more suited to woodland, but you don't embrace those possibilities Lack of livestock-ability in some cases, why worry about crimping rollers when people can't feed the stock they've got? You most all are blinkered by ag-chem spin, and popular science makes you dismissive of what's right in front of you, this isn't your faults but represents a great opportunity to learn new things, that are old things elsewhere in the world You really need to forget about "feeding the country/world" and stop sending your margin to town; they aren't grateful enough to send you back their sh!t so forget the "production at all costs" from 70 years ago, yes The War ended You also need to realise that this pesticide-based no-till system is just as much of a fungi-killer as full tillage, we all evolved from fungi and so to declare war on fungi (even unwittingly, because the chemists weren't allowed to say) is at a stroke, declaring war on your humus production, and also on humans (humans, humus, get it yet) Most ALL civilisations owe their extinction to soil depletion, this time due to our other failings (nitrogen salts, plastic pollution, waste, and sheer energy consumption) we won't have another go Homo sapiens survived homo neanderthalensis because sapiens could survive on 3000kj and neanderthalensis needed 5000kj Modern sapiens RDI 8700kj Modern industrial ag requires 10j of fossil energy per j of food output, so if we keep this up we are approximately 33 times as FÙCKED as the Neanderthals were, remember nearly all of our food supply was foraged for for 200,000 years, agricultural techniques began 10-15,000 years ago but it's only been in the past 80 years that this great dependency on "inputs" began at all. It's only been in the past 50 years that many current ailments have been discovered, again due mainly to diet, and the toxins entering our cells from this diet What we have entered is the new age, that where agriculture and general society look back to where we went wrong (increase food supply instead of control the population) and ask some tough questions If you think the end of glyphosate is the end of the world, then get out while you can is my best advice, because you're probably not going to be able to make the necessary change to your paradigm in time to save your businesses. Sorry folks, as you were, keen to see who wins the latest p!ssing contest about plough vs pesticide (You're tied, BTW) [/QUOTE]
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