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<blockquote data-quote="Boysground" data-source="post: 7395947" data-attributes="member: 610"><p>[USER=155757]@MeganR14[/USER] I didn’t actually discuss research in my post. I was referring to what has actually happened at farm level. The loss of nicatinamoids has resulted in a huge loss of flowering crops over the countryside, I doubt that enough wild flower areas can replace this. Speaking for myself I have reduced my osr area by 60% I have friends who now grow none, some of my area has been replaced by beans. I do not see the number of bees in the bean crop as I do the osr. At the same time I can nolonger use the insecticides in my non nectar producing crop, this has resulted in the use of old technology insecticides which will kill everything in the field. In the past with nicatinamoid seed dressing this was not necessary and therefore made the chemical selective and it did not effect the non target insects. This is the unintended consequence I was referring to.</p><p></p><p>Like every farmer I know I reduce my chemical use as much as possible if it is not necessary I won’t use it. The problem that arises is that to feed myself and my family I need to make a profit then I may be able to invest in wild flower plots.</p><p></p><p>Please do not go down the route of thinking all farmers want to do is Chuck chemical all over the environment just for the sake of it. In reality you will find the TFF membership know far more about the environment on their farms than you will ever do, you would be much better off discussing the issues with us and being prepared to listen to opinions from both sides of the debate. Don’t take the easy and simplistic route of a short and slightly loaded survey. You will do so much better in your degree if you do this.</p><p></p><p>Just note I still haven’t given you my opinion of the research just the reality of a decision made many miles from my farm, whether I like it or not.</p><p></p><p>Bg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Boysground, post: 7395947, member: 610"] [USER=155757]@MeganR14[/USER] I didn’t actually discuss research in my post. I was referring to what has actually happened at farm level. The loss of nicatinamoids has resulted in a huge loss of flowering crops over the countryside, I doubt that enough wild flower areas can replace this. Speaking for myself I have reduced my osr area by 60% I have friends who now grow none, some of my area has been replaced by beans. I do not see the number of bees in the bean crop as I do the osr. At the same time I can nolonger use the insecticides in my non nectar producing crop, this has resulted in the use of old technology insecticides which will kill everything in the field. In the past with nicatinamoid seed dressing this was not necessary and therefore made the chemical selective and it did not effect the non target insects. This is the unintended consequence I was referring to. Like every farmer I know I reduce my chemical use as much as possible if it is not necessary I won’t use it. The problem that arises is that to feed myself and my family I need to make a profit then I may be able to invest in wild flower plots. Please do not go down the route of thinking all farmers want to do is Chuck chemical all over the environment just for the sake of it. In reality you will find the TFF membership know far more about the environment on their farms than you will ever do, you would be much better off discussing the issues with us and being prepared to listen to opinions from both sides of the debate. Don’t take the easy and simplistic route of a short and slightly loaded survey. You will do so much better in your degree if you do this. Just note I still haven’t given you my opinion of the research just the reality of a decision made many miles from my farm, whether I like it or not. Bg [/QUOTE]
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