The Apple tax case and the direction of the EU

Henarar · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
"Perhaps they know it's the best country in the world" surely implies a statement of fact?

No
but they are most likely right

FFS

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

. I have no answers to the problems of globalisation just pointing out that problems do exist.
I would suggest better harminisation of taxation rules but after Brexit it appears that the British would have no truck with such an idea especially after Fridays over reaction.

But your notion that governments are not allowed a say in the workings of global companies leads to only 2 possible outcomes
1, A global Government
2 We all serve at the pleasure/whim of AAPL

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

Henarar said:
No
but they are most likely right
FFS

Yes.
But we will disagree on the gramma,

Again

Ffs

bobk · Sep 4, 2016

Henarar said:
No
but they are most likely right
FFS

czechmate said:
Yes.
But we will disagree on the gramma,

Again

Ffs

Blimey, you two lovebirds still bickering ?

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

bobk said:
Blimey, you two lovebirds still bickering ?

Sky not working so I can't watch the tennis

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

Goweresque said:
I would argue that government debt is down to the West wanting to live beyond its means - electorates voting for more public spending than they are prepared to pay taxes to pay for.

And on wealth inequality its a simple equation - would eliminating the conditions that allow the Bill Gates of this world to exist result in better or worse conditions for the uber-poor? Personally I don't care how much the uber-rich have, as long as its not at the expense of the uber-poor. While globalisation continues to improve the position of the poorest in global society, I think its morally wrong for people in the west (who are in the top 10% of income globally) to want to reverse the changes that have resulted in the very poor getting better off, because they think they deserve more. Because that's effectively the argument - the middle classes in the West are not as well off in relative terms as they used to be, so they want to stop the process by which that is happening, and damn anyone else below them who may thus be prevented from improving their lot. Every factory that moves back from a poor country to a rich one makes the poor country that bit poorer and the rich one that bit richer. That to me seems a very morally suspect course of action.

Whilst I agree there are many benefits to globalisation. You appear to be underestimating the down sides or even ignoring they exist.
My greatest concern is around political stability. The benefits to the peoples of the developing world have come at the expense of the developed world. when the developed world was sold the lie that it would be good for them too. This has seen the rise of far right politics in the US,UK Europe etc.
I am not saying this is in any way a reason to stop but the problem has to be dealt with as does the unforeseen consequence of Global firms not paying their fair share of tax that too is morally suspect.

Henarar · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
Yes.
But we will disagree on the gramma,

Again

Ffs

Yep these immigrants know which is the best country, they are not stupid
though some have gone the other way, oh dear

Henarar · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
Sky not working so I can't watch the tennis

working fine here

, there was rain falling from it earlier on

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

Henarar said:
Yep these immigrants know which is the best country, they are not stupid
though some have gone the other way, oh dear

The thing is, as you have stated previously, my 3 year old granddaughter is far more widely traveled than you are (I don't count time spent on the www) so I am bemused why you think you are so qualified on these matters?
For myself, for eg, I would love to get a real feel for a lot of the farming belts of the USA. I haven't been there, much as I would love to, so wouldn't feel the least bit qualified to offer an opinion on USA farming.

Goweresque · Sep 4, 2016

lazy farmer said:
Whilst I agree there are many benefits to globalisation. You appear to be underestimating the down sides or even ignoring they exist.
My greatest concern is around political stability. The benefits to the peoples of the developing world have come at the expense of the developed world. when the developed world was sold the lie that it would be good for them too. This has seen the rise of far right politics in the US,UK Europe etc.
I am not saying this is in any way a reason to stop but the problem has to be dealt with as does the unforeseen consequence of Global firms not paying their fair share of tax that too is morally suspect.

I'm not down playing the negatives of globalisation, I'm saying they are far outweighed by the benefits, and as such it is a 'good thing'. If the benefits for the developing world have come at the expense of the already developed world (which I dispute, but lets say so for arguments sake) then I repeat, its not right for us to say 'We're a lot richer than you, but we want to be even richer, so screw you, we're pulling up the drawbridge'. That would be selfishness in the extreme.

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

I agree. Do you have any potential solutions for the instability in the developed world?

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
Sky not working so I can't watch the tennis

five live sports extra either on DAB or the website have had brilliant coverage this yr

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

Henarar said:
Yep these immigrants know which is the best country, they are not stupid
though some have gone the other way, oh dear

you do realise what sound like ?

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

lazy farmer said:
you do realise what sound like ?

Somerset yokel?

ollie989898 · Sep 4, 2016

lazy farmer said:
I agree. Do you have any potential solutions for the instability in the developed world?

Make them wealthier.

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

lazy farmer said:
five live sports extra either on DAB or the website have had brilliant coverage this yr

There are the odd down sides to being an immigrant

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
There are the odd down sides to being an immigrant

sorry I thought the website might work ?

lazy farmer · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
Somerset yokel?

i'll try not to take that personally

czechmate · Sep 4, 2016

lazy farmer said:
sorry I thought the website might work ?

There are bizare things. No dab in France really anyway so we have a great internet radio. Listen a fair bit to radio Leicester, but when the football commentary comes on it goes off the radio

.
Lots of bbc websight stuff doesn't work outside the uk

Henarar · Sep 4, 2016

czechmate said:
The thing is, as you have stated previously, my 3 year old granddaughter is far more widely traveled than you are

she may well be but you don't know that, I have been to plenty of places just not abroad, I used to drive a lorry and do hundreds of miles every week but I still haven't seen half of it around here yet

czechmate said:
so I am bemused why you think you are so qualified on these matters?

I asked a few immigrants

czechmate said:
For myself, for eg, I would love to get a real feel for a lot of the farming belts of the USA. I haven't been there, much as I would love to, so wouldn't feel the least bit qualified to offer an opinion on USA farming.

I always fancied a trip down to lands end just so I can say what the sea air is like

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