Confessions of a farmer.......BPS payments

glasshouse · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
2 dollars for a ewe???

Yes, two dollars.
They were a pound a head here in 98, 99

The Ruminant · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
with the rising cost of labour such businesses may need a rethink, are they still selling in small bags?

Just looked on their website. They're selling a product made entirely of straw for £3,250 per tonne - all in small bags, of course. Interestingly it was a product they developed when I was there in the early 90's (I can't take any credit, but was a very interested observer) and it takes very little processing. The markup is huge. Good on them.

And no, I'm not giving away their name and allowing others to exploit their niches, and no I am pretty sure they won't need a rethink given the "rising cost of labour". You're unbelievably negative

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

glasshouse said:
When nz lost subsidy, ewes were only worth a dollar or two, and that lasted over ten yrs, and it didnt matter how many died along the way
Can you imagine the uproar here if that happened, not to mention the cost of uplifting carcases.

If you had 30 ewes or 30,000 would the death % be any more or any less ? as long as stocking levels were acceptable and animal health was kept right i dont see why the death % would alter.

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

glasshouse said:
Yes, two dollars.
They were a pound a head here in 98, 99

There was a peirod in the 90`s here swales n blackies were worth bugger all as well.

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

glasshouse said:
Yes, two dollars.
They were a pound a head here in 98, 99

If a fat ewe is worth £70 today and subs go tonight why would they drop in value ? sub have nothing to do with sheep.

Henarar · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
There was a peirod in the 90`s here swales n blackies were worth bugger all as well.

Seen barren cows unable to get a bid, would have been around that time

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

Henarar said:
Seen barren cows unable to get a bid, would have been around that time

I sold 20 cows one day think that stupid scheme paid 250-280 ? only thing wrong with them was there date of birth, total scandle, they would be worth 20k now not 5k.

Henarar · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
I sold 20 cows one day think that stupid scheme paid 250-280 ? only thing wrong with them was there date of birth, total scandle, they would be worth 20k now not 5k.

this was at market, the auctioneer knocked so many of the not so good cows down to each of the dealers, when they objected he told them if they wanted the better cattle they had to take them, they shut up
the better cattle were not making much more

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

Henarar said:
this was at market, the auctioneer knocked so many of the not so good cows down to each of the dealers, when they objected he told them if they wanted the better cattle they had to take them, they shut up
the better cattle were not making much more

When selling fat cattle they used to be £1kilo and if you got a butcher to buy one at £110p thought you was doing well, what a joke that was.

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

GTB said:
Rent will drop because people just won't be able to afford paying too much. Say someone owns 200 acres and rents/lets another 200 acres without payments. As it is now he gets bps on his own 200 acres which helps pay for the additional 200 without bps. If subs end he won't be able to pay as much because the subs on his own land was no longer subbing the extra land. Without subs the extra land would have to be sufficiently cheap so that it makes a profit to subsidise the farmers own land. If this isn't the case then what is the point of taking the extra land on?

Glad somebody else can see this at last -sub does not help progressive farmers it helps landowners ( assetmanagers/investors ) they are separate businesses with different aims although perhaps operated by the same individual along side each other

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

digger64 said:
Glad somebody else can see this at last -sub does not help progressive farmers it helps landowners ( assetmanagers/investors ) they are separate businesses with different aims although perhaps operated by the same individual along side each other

RENT compared with value, its for nothing as it is which could be a stumbling block.

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
drank a lot still got a 2:1 though, its simple farmers will have to expand to cover the loss of subs or its going to be a waste of time, it happened in NZ it will have to happen here, this is where the argument rents will get cheaper falls flat

Did the rent / land price rise when this happened in NZ then ?

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
only 500-600 acres grain we get a malting contract and grow for the tonnage required, futures are a dangerous game

Depends wether you understand them or not !

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
drank a lot still got a 2:1 though, its simple farmers will have to expand to cover the loss of subs or its going to be a waste of time, it happened in NZ it will have to happen here, this is where the argument rents will get cheaper falls flat

What would be the point of expanding if you haven't got enough gross margin to pay the increased rent you talk about surely you would run out of money faster because of your inevitably inceased fixed costs ?

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
RENT compared with value, its for nothing as it is which could be a stumbling block.

But ,you can only grow / sell what the land will let you , some are better than others , but even they have limits .I don't think the lands freehold value is related to its rent earning capacity farming wise at the moment surely that will have to be accepted .

Hilly · Nov 23, 2016

digger64 said:
But ,you can only grow / sell what the land will let you , some are better than others , but even they have limits .I don't think the lands freehold value is related to its rent earning capacity farming wise at the moment surely that will have to be accepted .

To a point yes, but could get to a point where fallow would be better than a tenant.

Old McDonald · Nov 23, 2016

Henarar said:
Seen barren cows unable to get a bid, would have been around that time

And 20 years before that half decent x-bred bull calves out of dairy herds were more or less free too. Before the time of most posters though, so they would not know. I bought a lot of good calves in the mid-1970s for under a tenner at Hexham and Carlisle, plus the odd trip to Kendal.

Old McDonald · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
2 dollars for a ewe???

You are almost middle aged, yet despite your age and education (BTW where did you get your 2:1?) you make some posts that show an incredible ignorance of agriculture around the world - agricultural matters that have an enormous impact on your ability to make or not make a living.

Shortly before I left Australia the govt gave farmers 50c (I might be wrong a few cents) for every sheep they shot. That paid for the bullet. The farmer still had to pay for the dozer/whatever to dig the pit. I think they reduced the flock by about 30 million in that scheme. I did know of somebody (I actually liked the man) who failed to bury about 700 because of the cost, and it cost him dearly when somebody complained that he had not buried them.

Old McDonald · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
When selling fat cattle they used to be £1kilo and if you got a butcher to buy one at £110p thought you was doing well, what a joke that was.

Many, many years ago my father passed on some words of wisdom to me "There is Robin Hood, Robin Starch and Robbin' Bloody Butchers".

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Henarar · Nov 23, 2016

Old McDonald said:
You are almost middle aged, yet despite your age and education (BTW where did you get your 2:1?) you make some posts that show an incredible ignorance of agriculture around the world - agricultural matters that have an enormous impact on your ability to make or not make a living.

Shortly before I left Australia the govt gave farmers 50c (I might be wrong a few cents) for every sheep they shot. That paid for the bullet. The farmer still had to pay for the dozer/whatever to dig the pit. I think they reduced the flock by about 30 million in that scheme. I did know of somebody (I actually liked the man) who failed to bury about 700 because of the cost, and it cost him dearly when somebody complained that he had not buried them.

Was it you that put a post on FWI some years ago about a farmer in AUS I think they had a drought at the time, things were that bad, he shot all his animals, shot the dogs then shot himself
terrible reading at the time

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