Confessions of a farmer.......BPS payments

d williams · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
with the rising cost of labour such businesses may need a rethink, are they still selling in small bags?

Not if he's releasing its full earning potential I think more need to rethink like him instead of letting others having the greatest share of the profit and sometimes doing the least

Pasty · Nov 23, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
and yourself?

I've got TFF on one screen and Manic Miner on the other. That is my life. I did try Jetpac and Horace Goes Skiing but couldn't get on with either of them.

Pasty · Nov 23, 2016

The Ruminant said:
Just looked on their website. They're selling a product made entirely of straw for £3,250 per tonne - all in small bags, of course. Interestingly it was a product they developed when I was there in the early 90's (I can't take any credit, but was a very interested observer) and it takes very little processing. The markup is huge. Good on them.

And no, I'm not giving away their name and allowing others to exploit their niches, and no I am pretty sure they won't need a rethink given the "rising cost of labour". You're unbelievably negative

I bet that's what I put in my hen's nest boxes..Maybe. Not meant for hens but essential oils mean no mites? Maybe not.

Bill the Bass · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
When selling fat cattle they used to be £1kilo and if you got a butcher to buy one at £110p thought you was doing well, what a joke that was.

Wasn't that long ago either - things can change

digger64 · Nov 23, 2016

Hilly said:
To a point yes, but could get to a point where fallow would be better than a tenant.

That happened when setaside came in especially when they allowed people to offload it/trade it .put a bottom in rent basically pushed tenants out by giving landowners something for nothing hls similar when you need to get your costs down they create an increase and put you in a very weak trading position

The Ruminant · Nov 24, 2016

Pasty said:
I bet that's what I put in my hen's nest boxes..Maybe. Not meant for hens but essential oils mean no mites? Maybe not.

No that's not them but it's the same idea, carving a niche, selling direct to the public and charging a premium. The skill lies in growing your customer base - recently made easier with the Internet and online sales and marketing.

Probably not proper farming though so @Bossfarmer will dismiss it

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

The Ruminant said:
Just looked on their website. They're selling a product made entirely of straw for £3,250 per tonne - all in small bags, of course. Interestingly it was a product they developed when I was there in the early 90's (I can't take any credit, but was a very interested observer) and it takes very little processing. The markup is huge. Good on them.

And no, I'm not giving away their name and allowing others to exploit their niches, and no I am pretty sure they won't need a rethink given the "rising cost of labour". You're unbelievably negative

I commend this but at the same time it wont save the industry, i have a few sidelines on the farm too

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

Hilly said:
If a fat ewe is worth £70 today and subs go tonight why would they drop in value ? sub have nothing to do with sheep.

Mabye the fact that hill farms all over tbe country would be selling their hundreds of thousands of sheep??? Thats a strange suggestion when sub is taken out of the equation most hill sheep farms made a loss last year!

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

digger64 said:
Glad somebody else can see this at last -sub does not help progressive farmers it helps landowners ( assetmanagers/investors ) they are separate businesses with different aims although perhaps operated by the same individual along side each other

Can sub not help a progressive farmer? Strange thing to say

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

digger64 said:
What would be the point of expanding if you haven't got enough gross margin to pay the increased rent you talk about surely you would run out of money faster because of your inevitably inceased fixed costs ?

There is a small margin without subs so expanding will increase profits on decent ground BUT you will need a LOT more acres to make the profit you did with subs

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

Old McDonald said:
You are almost middle aged, yet despite your age and education (BTW where did you get your 2:1?) you make some posts that show an incredible ignorance of agriculture around the world - agricultural matters that have an enormous impact on your ability to make or not make a living.

Shortly before I left Australia the govt gave farmers 50c (I might be wrong a few cents) for every sheep they shot. That paid for the bullet. The farmer still had to pay for the dozer/whatever to dig the pit. I think they reduced the flock by about 30 million in that scheme. I did know of somebody (I actually liked the man) who failed to bury about 700 because of the cost, and it cost him dearly when somebody complained that he had not buried them.

*****What exactly is my ignorance? Im saying debt on scottish farms has risen to record levels profits are down for the 4th year running and there was mayhem this year when sub payment to farmers was late, in my view anyone ignoring these facts and saying farmers dont need any subs are the IGNORANT ones!!!!*****

Old McDonald · Nov 24, 2016

Henarar said:
Was it you that put a post on FWI some years ago about a farmer in AUS I think they had a drought at the time, things were that bad, he shot all his animals, shot the dogs then shot himself
terrible reading at the time

Yes, he lived nearby. He did not shoot his livestock though, just the dogs and himself. Outside his house so that he did not make a mess inside. He used a shotgun.

digger64 · Nov 24, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
There is a small margin without subs so expanding will increase profits on decent ground BUT you will need a LOT more acres to make the profit you did with subs

Reread the ? Then try and answer it goodluck

digger64 · Nov 24, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
Can sub not help a progressive farmer? Strange thing to say

Depends on your idea of a progressive farmer .my idea is one who can pay his bills/rent without dole money and produce a useful product yours some one who can asset strip an inherited asset to buy another asset and say how clever he is whilst living on benefits then winge like a toddler who cant have what he wants for tea tomorrow

czechmate · Nov 24, 2016

digger64 said:
Depends on your idea of a progressive farmer .my idea is one who can pay his bills/rent without dole money and produce a useful product yours some one who can asset strip an inherited asset to buy another asset and say how clever he is whilst living on benefits then winge like a toddler who cant have what he wants for tea tomorrow

I would agree with the boss on this. I know plenty of progressive farmers (who may well also be land owners) who make good use of their sub to be even more progressive, your post all but suggests it holds them back?

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

digger64 said:
Depends on your idea of a progressive farmer .my idea is one who can pay his bills/rent without dole money and produce a useful product yours some one who can asset strip an inherited asset to buy another asset and say how clever he is whilst living on benefits then winge like a toddler who cant have what he wants for tea tomorrow

assets strip an inherited asset? don't you mean change of use of a mortgaged asset to pay off the mortgage? so progressive means make a small margin over and above subs that you get but don't expand so that years later when things have moved on and margins are smaller you have to sell up? I think you need to look up the meaning of this word

Henarar · Nov 24, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
assets strip an inherited asset? don't you mean change of use of a mortgaged asset to pay off the mortgage? so progressive means make a small margin over and above subs that you get but don't expand so that years later when things have moved on and margins are smaller you have to sell up? I think you need to look up the meaning of this word

did you convert it yourself or just sell it with planning ?

digger64 · Nov 24, 2016

czechmate said:
I would agree with the boss on this. I know plenty of progressive farmers (who may well also be land owners) who make good use of their sub to be even more progressive, your post all but suggests it holds them back?

It really depends which side of the fence you are on , I would agree sub can be used proggressively but if you are not a landowner it is more or less taken up in extra costs you will say you have choice , but the choice is pay or pack up and go where ?

Bossfarmer · Nov 24, 2016

digger64 said:
It really depends which side of the fence you are on , I would agree sub can be used proggressively but if you are not a landowner it is more or less taken up in extra costs you will say you have choice , but the choice is pay or pack up and go where ?

Extra costs? u mean rent?? try paying for all your land if u don't want to pay rent and let us know how u get on!! from where im standing your sfp pays the rent at present lots of people are getting free access to land worth millions and theyre still not happy???????????

The Ruminant · Nov 24, 2016

Bossfarmer said:
I commend this but at the same time it wont save the industry, i have a few sidelines on the farm too

Of course you do

I hope these sidelines are pure farming? Any non-farming activities means you're not a real farmer and so will immediately be struck of the RPA's BPS list

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