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- Ceredigion
The Times: Older farmers ‘should be offered cottages’ to retire
- Thread starter Robigus
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- Scottish Highlands
Nobody old enough to remember the Farms Amalgamation Scheme back in the 70's?
Payments to small farmers to give up their land if it was absorbed by a larger unit and generous subs to the enlarged holding as I recall.
Payments to small farmers to give up their land if it was absorbed by a larger unit and generous subs to the enlarged holding as I recall.
oldoaktree
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- County Durham
But haven't they paid into there pension
Hang on a minute ,hasn't pension age gone up mines looking like 68.So why retire (old)farmers at 60.
If councils had not sold council starter farms ,this was a step on the ladder.
As for subs Sorry dole ,like I said before anyone claiming in the £10000 region hopefully this can be replaced by outside work etc.Tell me how someone claiming £50000 upwards is going to make that money up.
The little boys may survive,but who will be shouting most the big landowners.Why because they want big rents and fools are paying them.
I'm off to plan my retirement hopefully the government will give me a super duper pension how many million do I need in my pension pot.Some people talk a lot of twaddle ,ok I'm one of them
If councils had not sold council starter farms ,this was a step on the ladder.
As for subs Sorry dole ,like I said before anyone claiming in the £10000 region hopefully this can be replaced by outside work etc.Tell me how someone claiming £50000 upwards is going to make that money up.
The little boys may survive,but who will be shouting most the big landowners.Why because they want big rents and fools are paying them.
I'm off to plan my retirement hopefully the government will give me a super duper pension how many million do I need in my pension pot.Some people talk a lot of twaddle ,ok I'm one of them
- Location
- Ceredigion, wales
Yes plenty of short term lets but at a price. Most of them unviable unless they're on your doorstep or there's some other extenuating circumstances?
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
This whole thread is founded on a load of statistics and ballocks.
Take the line that govt statistics show British farmers to be the least productive in Europe, where do they get this twaddle from? Every farm is different not only in this country but every other country in Europe.
In my case, farming in an NVZ. My stocking is right up to the limit of govt imposed legislation.
But how do you define productive? I posted on here fairly recently that I know a guy milking about 600 cows with average yields in excess of 10,000 litres per cow, at one point he was loosing £25,000 per month. I milk a quarter of the cows and produce about one sixth of the milk he does so obviously I'm less productive although I'm not sure what this loosing money is all about
I'm obviously doing something wrong
Take the line that govt statistics show British farmers to be the least productive in Europe, where do they get this twaddle from? Every farm is different not only in this country but every other country in Europe.
In my case, farming in an NVZ. My stocking is right up to the limit of govt imposed legislation.
But how do you define productive? I posted on here fairly recently that I know a guy milking about 600 cows with average yields in excess of 10,000 litres per cow, at one point he was loosing £25,000 per month. I milk a quarter of the cows and produce about one sixth of the milk he does so obviously I'm less productive although I'm not sure what this loosing money is all about
I'm obviously doing something wrong
oldoaktree
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- Location
- County Durham
I think the article is amid at farmers farm blocking , where by a owner occupiers decides to retire but keeps the farm by renting the land out to contractors and for want of a better word mothballing the steading whilst still living in the house . This gives the elder farmer an income while still being able to live in there house as they are perfectly entitled to .
Not necessarily. It's more likely the young buck with a lot of debt, will go bust. The old codgers with farms bought and paid for, and little outgoings, will carry on.
I'm 55, and since our children have jobs and have finished education etc, it's surprising how much money the Mrs and I are saving
- Location
- Lincolnshire
This last generation of farmers had
Plenty of grants to build it all up
Plenty of grants to run it all down, they could sell their milk quota etc for a fortune
Then they had payments per acre whether they farmed it or not.
Now they want somebody else to pay for their retirement home, having seen their own capital assets multiply tenfold.
I'm lost for words. I really am. Do they know how ordinary people live?
Plenty of grants to build it all up
Plenty of grants to run it all down, they could sell their milk quota etc for a fortune
Then they had payments per acre whether they farmed it or not.
Now they want somebody else to pay for their retirement home, having seen their own capital assets multiply tenfold.
I'm lost for words. I really am. Do they know how ordinary people live?
- Location
- Ceredigion
Can you show me anywhere where an ageing farmer has asked for a retirement fund . Only thing I have seen is get off your land you useless old sod we want it
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
It's a CLA proposal / policy
I believe there have been similar schemes in France in the past?
- Location
- Fife
But haven't they paid into there pension
My wife pays £600 a month into her pension. She's paid the same in percentage terms for the last 10 years.
During that time the terms and conditions have been significantly degraded. In order to qualify for a full pension now he has to work till 68. I've told her that won't be happening. I'm not having her in a classroom till she's that age!
Farmer Palmer
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- County Durham
This is a ridiculous idea , you have to wonder whether the CLA are living in the same world , but then again they are maybe thinking of the people who pay the subs. You have to separate the fact some of the teachers/police/army and individuals who have worked and payed into a company pension scheme have all worked for someone else and the pension was part of the attraction of the job. They are not self employed business owners. Even though this may suit me personally it would be quite rightly ridiculed by the general public , what's worrying is that someone in the CLA thought this was a viable proposition
- Location
- Lincolnshire
No, I can't. The CLA is made up of estate owners who wish to get rid of old tenant farmers and take the land back in hand to farm themselves. I have seen that many times. They want the taxpayer to pay for the farmer to retire, encouraging him to give up his tenancy, clearing the way for the landlord.
All this time and effort spent trying to find new ways to milk the system. Would be better if they got on with something productive.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
It won't be an unusual situation for a tenant farmer to work all his life and get by making a living but not having made enough to buy a house to retire so will plod along farming scraping enough money together to pay the rent.
No doubt someone at the CLA has come to the conclusion that if they could get rid of these old codgers they could extract more rent out of some young buck.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
The beauty of being a supply teacher is that you can pick and choose where you go. My Father in Law did it for several years when he came back from the Middle East and there were certain schools that he just refused to go back to.
- Location
- Ceredigion, wales
My wife worked in a secondary school for many years (admin) and has many friends who are teachers. Many of them have been given golden handshakes of one form or another and have retired in their fifties. Most of them are now doing supply work, often in the same school, and the supply rate is at least as good as a teachers salary but without most of the stress and pressure. I'm sure many farmers would gladly accept a similar proposition?
As for the suggestion that many tenant farmers can't afford to retire/buy a retirement home maybe landowners should offer them a package if they want the farm back, but I don't see why this should be funded by the govt/tax payer. I'm not sure what planet the CLA are on suggesting this. Maybe they should ask themselves why tenants are unable to make enough money over a lifetime of farming?
spin cycle
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- north norfolk
Retirement of farmers is controlled by 3 things money(or lack of), inheritance tax and control.
Money the lack of...
If may well be that a shared ownership scheme that let's say old tenant farmers build a house to retire in is one way to go, but the state should own the % that they pay for, this gives the family the chance to buy it from the government or sell it all pull there assets out.
Control and inheritance tax often go hand in hand.
The active farmer requirement by the tax office lets farmers that want control hide behind it , then you have the ones that just make no provision. (The no plan plan).
They are then trapped into taking an income from the farm and a % of profits until they die. Or the farm is burdened with 40% tax on all assets including the land.
For me changing the inheritance tax rules would help, if they can show the farm is now run by family member the owner can retire if they want at their normal retirement age, they can maintain control of the assets but be allowed to step out of the farms income stream, and pass the farm on at their death using the normal inheritance tax rules. As a retired indervidual they would then be in the same system as any other retired person in the uk until there death. (They can still work but they earn just a wage)
Money the lack of...
If may well be that a shared ownership scheme that let's say old tenant farmers build a house to retire in is one way to go, but the state should own the % that they pay for, this gives the family the chance to buy it from the government or sell it all pull there assets out.
Control and inheritance tax often go hand in hand.
The active farmer requirement by the tax office lets farmers that want control hide behind it , then you have the ones that just make no provision. (The no plan plan).
They are then trapped into taking an income from the farm and a % of profits until they die. Or the farm is burdened with 40% tax on all assets including the land.
For me changing the inheritance tax rules would help, if they can show the farm is now run by family member the owner can retire if they want at their normal retirement age, they can maintain control of the assets but be allowed to step out of the farms income stream, and pass the farm on at their death using the normal inheritance tax rules. As a retired indervidual they would then be in the same system as any other retired person in the uk until there death. (They can still work but they earn just a wage)
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leave the old farmers alone if they want to carry on farming its up to them if they want to let THEIR land out its up to them, why the big need for young farmers to take over ? every other bloody thread on here is saying that the food is not wanted anyway and its much better to import it