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- Owaka, New Zealand
That's what Mr Market Intelligence said too.
How much levy money did it take to come up with your version?
Distance lends enchantment to the view
- Thread starter Walterp
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How much levy money did it take to come up with your version?
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- Cornwall
That's what Mr Market Intelligence said too.
How much levy money did it take to come up with your version?
You'll have to lodge a Freedom of Information Act request for that I'm afraid![emoji1303]
BLG
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- Gisborne New Zealand
I was no more selective than you were, in fact I was directly countering your statements which were by in large incorrect.
The AHDB report was good though didn't go into enough detail in some cases. For example of the effect that the drop in world commodity prices had on NZ farmer fortunes after 1984, it inferred that assistance removal was the only cause. Also it stated that lamb exports dropped 31% in the 10yrs after 1984, whereas it was actually in the first five yrs that they dropped and since have remained around the same while sheep numbers carried on dropping. Proof of farmers becoming more innovative and effective without the crutch of government assistance. The best part of the report was the last four conclusions;
"Should the structure of farm support change there is likely to be a challenging transition period
In order for the UK agriculture industry to be successful post-Brexit there will need to be a focus on efficiency and streamlining
There may be opportunities for the UK to carve out niches and for agriculture to thrive through increased vertical integration
Agriculture operates most efficiently when decisions are based on actual market returns"
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I really enjoyed the linked report, thanks @BLG, it certainly summed up (to me) a ton of anecdotal evidence from "those good old days" before my time. Much appreciated.
I particularly liked the graphic info about how our horticultural industry took off- instead of being squashed- and general agricultural productivity growth is 3x of the economy in general
80,000 farms with 800 listed bankruptcies
Much of the crisis attributed to the loss of increasingly unaffordable subsidies was due to a wider economic crisis - that was largely skimmed over - I didn't see "Rogernomics" in the AHDB one anywhere.
I like selected fact.
I particularly liked the graphic info about how our horticultural industry took off- instead of being squashed- and general agricultural productivity growth is 3x of the economy in general
80,000 farms with 800 listed bankruptcies
Much of the crisis attributed to the loss of increasingly unaffordable subsidies was due to a wider economic crisis - that was largely skimmed over - I didn't see "Rogernomics" in the AHDB one anywhere.
I like selected fact.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
How folk live in these remote places is beyond me.
I'm not particularly a people person however it is nice to farm in a AONB,be 6 miles from 2 decent towns,25 minutes from a city and within one hour be standing outside the Cavern Club.
Also have 4g and mobile signal over 90% of the farm,fastish Internet and if I choose a church and a chapel within 1/2 mile,not forgetting a pub.
Really should make the effort to go to church......however TFF is the new place to worship.
I'm not particularly a people person however it is nice to farm in a AONB,be 6 miles from 2 decent towns,25 minutes from a city and within one hour be standing outside the Cavern Club.
Also have 4g and mobile signal over 90% of the farm,fastish Internet and if I choose a church and a chapel within 1/2 mile,not forgetting a pub.
Really should make the effort to go to church......however TFF is the new place to worship.
- Location
- Fife
How folk live in these remote places is beyond me.
I'm not particularly a people person however it is nice to farm in a AONB,be 6 miles from 2 decent towns,25 minutes from a city and within one hour be standing outside the Cavern Club.
Also have 4g and mobile signal over 90% of the farm,fastish Internet and if I choose a church and a chapel within 1/2 mile,not forgetting a pub.
Really should make the effort to go to church......however TFF is the new place to worship.
If my wife would stand it, I'd be living in the Australian bush, on a sheep/cattle station 20 miles from the nearest neighbour.
No mention of food security
NZ attitude to food production seems to work for them and their 4 million population,but is it appropriate for the EU and hundreds of millions?
EU is letting inflation phase out farm subsidies.If we need rid of subsidies,isn't that a better way of doing it?
IF a country/bloc chooses to interfere in "the market" in order to preserve social fabric/landscapes/communities in fragile economic areas isn't that a reasonable choice? NZ chose not to/ couldn't afford to do so.
Horses for courses.
NZ attitude to food production seems to work for them and their 4 million population,but is it appropriate for the EU and hundreds of millions?
EU is letting inflation phase out farm subsidies.If we need rid of subsidies,isn't that a better way of doing it?
IF a country/bloc chooses to interfere in "the market" in order to preserve social fabric/landscapes/communities in fragile economic areas isn't that a reasonable choice? NZ chose not to/ couldn't afford to do so.
Horses for courses.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Just on the point of food security.
NZ & Australia with their relatively small populations - the bulk of produce grown is exported, it's not all for domestic consumption.
Food security - I doubt the UK has EVER been completely self sufficient in food for centuries. First the commonwealth / colonial countries, then, when you ditched us in favour of your EU best new buddies.
You are a small island. WW1 & 2 you nearly starved due to shipping routes being disrupted. Has anything really changed? Then, the question has to be asked, how likely is that to happen again ? Biggest area of tension lately is South China Sea & North Korea - I think we'll burn to hell before you do.
The general public don't care about subsidies, if imported food is cheaper they'll buy it, & wonder why their taxes are supporting Ag when other countries aren't
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Why not just bring back food rationing if food is getting so scarce?
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Why not just bring back food rationing if food is getting so scarce?
give that man a beer
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- NSW, Newstralya
for Australia & New Zealand, agriculture actually contributes hugely to our balance of trade and BRINGS IN billions of $$ to our countries, rather than being a burden to the poor starving tax payer who obviously is paying too much for their food & lives in fear of hunger . . .
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- NSW, Newstralya
by the way @Kiwi Pete - I love your new avatar . . .
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- Owaka, New Zealand
It's a good fit.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
everywhere we turn we are encouraged to live in a permanent state of fear . . .
scarily like Orwell's 1984
scarily like Orwell's 1984
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- NSW, Newstralya
Fear pays very well... ask your agronomist if you don't believe me
that's why I have an independent agro who works for ME, not a chem or fert reseller
wasted years
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- Cumbrian born and bread
How is inflation phasing out subsidies?
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Oh of course we are..
I don't give a toss how I'm supposed to be controlled, I'm here to make money!
So many things are meant to tug at our strings- from the 'war on terror = give up your privacy'
Through to the 'feed the world = surrender your profits'
It's all nanny knows best.
Time will tell...
I don't give a toss how I'm supposed to be controlled, I'm here to make money!
So many things are meant to tug at our strings- from the 'war on terror = give up your privacy'
Through to the 'feed the world = surrender your profits'
It's all nanny knows best.
Time will tell...