Non stun/stun

nelly55 · Feb 8, 2018

Great article in Daily Mail,seems the House Of Lords highlights the cruel suffering.Lord Gardiner says respect for religious practices .
Final sentence
“Lord Gardiner pointed out farm assurance schemes such as the Red Tractor and the RSPCA ethical food label required the stunning of animals before slaughter”
The man can’t have it both ways.
The article says in the last 6 years the numbers have doubled.

llamedos · Feb 8, 2018

Yesterdays proceedings

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/48a4a5e8-4a51-4b49-8eac-2758990994b6

Hansard for those unable to watch the above

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords...d193-b71c-4236-8624-6374f830ba55/LordsChamber

Av Gorritt · Feb 8, 2018

As I posted before , I bought some meat for the first time from the co-op recently . Very good it was too .I checked the EC number and found it was slaughtered and cut in Ellesmere -good !. I also noticed that it was Halal .

cowboysupper · Feb 8, 2018

Av Gorritt said:
As I posted before , I bought some meat for the first time from the co-op recently . Very good it was too .I checked the EC number and found it was slaughtered and cut in Ellesmere -good !. I also noticed that it was Halal .

I’d be surprised if ABP is no stun Halal.

I’ve no issue with stunned Halal but traditional ritual slaughter should be banned.

Av Gorritt · Feb 8, 2018

I only know what i read on the packaging , and have no knowledge of whether ABP stun or don't . But what I do know is that there is an increasing number of abattoirs who do Halal , Reasonable from their point of view I suppose, in that the resultant meat is more widely acceptable , including ethnics . All our stock goes to Woodheads who don't, as far as I'm aware ,do non stun slaughter .

Agrivator · Feb 8, 2018

I have it from good authority in the latest edition of SAC sheep and beef notes that all lamb from a well-known lamb-exporting country is halal. They stun lambs and then allow them to regain some aspects of consciousness just prior to ritual slaughter.
I haven't named the country, in case it's not factually true. But if it is in fact true, I am not just surprised but ...................

nick... · Feb 8, 2018

That would be new zealand then
Nick...

Northeastfarmer · Feb 8, 2018

Av Gorritt said:
As I posted before , I bought some meat for the first time from the co-op recently . Very good it was too .I checked the EC number and found it was slaughtered and cut in Ellesmere -good !. I also noticed that it was Halal .

You sell to woodheads but buy your meat at the coop...

Av Gorritt · Feb 8, 2018

I did say it was the first time , and only because I was in there to buy some flowers for my D. in Law And I haven't had any since . But it was good !

nelly55 · Feb 8, 2018

Well looks like letter to Daily Mail could get printed,her in doors has strong views on the subject and said so.

milkloss · Feb 8, 2018

Going by the videos of the q&a’s no one in this country will have the balls to ban non stun.

David. · Feb 8, 2018

The problem pertains more to foreskins than balls.

nelly55 · Feb 8, 2018

milkloss said:
Going by the videos of the q&a’s no one in this country will have the balls to ban non stun.

The ladies got the vote 100 years ago,let them loose no balls needed.

David. · Feb 8, 2018

Agrivator said:
I have it from good authority in the latest edition of SAC sheep and beef notes that all lamb from a well-known lamb-exporting country is halal. They stun lambs and then allow them to regain some aspects of consciousness just prior to ritual slaughter.
I haven't named the country, in case it's not factually true. But if it is in fact true, I am not just surprised but ...................

I think there is a bit of confusion between "stun to kill" which actually stops the heart, killing the animal, and is thus not acceptable to some halal adherants; and "stun to recover" which is a head only electrical stun and means that the animal could potentially recover eventually, and so is not actually dead at the point of sticking. This is accepted as a good compromise by most reasonable people.

milkloss · Feb 8, 2018

David. said:
I think there is a bit of confusion between "stun to kill" which actually stops the heart, killing the animal, and is thus not acceptable to some halal adherants; and "stun to recover" which is a head only electrical stun and means that the animal could potentially recover eventually, and so is not actually dead at the point of sticking. This is accepted as a good compromise by most reasonable people.

There’s no reasonable in it. It’s religion.

David. · Feb 8, 2018

But there is, and that is why I have no problem with our lambs being killed stun to recover halal. I have seen it, and the lambs are killed at about 7 per minute; no time to wait for them to regain consciousness.
You will never make fundamentalists happy, but a large percentage of muslims are pragmatic about it, and they are good consumers of sheep.

Tim W · Feb 8, 2018

cowboysupper said:
I’d be surprised if ABP is no stun Halal.

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ABP Yetminster is pre-stun

ollie989898 · Feb 8, 2018

milkloss said:
Going by the videos of the q&a’s no one in this country will have the balls to ban non stun.

This is being debated in the Lords very soon.

Does not help having a significant Jewish lobby in the UK.

Chasingmytail · Feb 8, 2018

There is some confusion on Halal - there are two types. My friend does halal poultry - it has a prayer said in the mind. Lots of poultry if halal in the Uk it means simply that its been blessed before slaughter. The slaughter is the same as every animal in the abattoir. This differs around the world. But in UK this is how its done,

Adam@Rumen · Feb 8, 2018

Muslim chap buys some lamb off us, he said majority of muslims couldn't give two hoots about halal these days

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