Mydexta
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Not a very fair comparison.
Did both classes share the same judges????
If not then you can’t compare the scores like that
Are Ploughing Matches Under Threat?
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Not a very fair comparison.
Did both classes share the same judges????
If not then you can’t compare the scores like that
wuddy
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Beat you to it this time!
And often the case David. That’s why when picking champion of the day the only real fair way is to go round and inspect all the winning plots and choose the best one regardless of the points.
Cause for consternation among some of us if we don’t always agree with individual class winners whilst judging overall champion - still - the judges decision is final.
Still hold by what I said .....light sandy soil....right man in the seat.... and much more stringent rules than Vintage where ‘anything goes’ nowadays. Have seen Richard plough better plots than the one on YouTube.
Only really 4 main body types to choose from and two of those are Massey Ferguson which only leaves Lea and GP bodies.
Get down to Hereford and see what Keith Williams does with one - boards worn feather edged at the back.
I expected that comment, thats why I chose the national! As far as I know, the judges were the same, and even if not, the standard should have been close, being the national .
I know Keith quite well, and in the example mentioned, he was eleven points behind.
All this does nothing to alter the fact that we are talking about ploughing matches, a form of competition.The emphasis should be on the ploughing, and the manufacturer of the kit should be irrelevant.The one make classes are more interested in the make of their kit, than the work standard. Organisers should realise this, and stop pandering to these people, and concentrate on the ploughing.
With your thinking Ley 253 the general public would be well pee'd off turning up to the match and all there is ploughing is your definition of the perfect ploughing match. You really are in a world of your own if you think organisers should stop pandering to the likes of 90% of ploughmen who just want a nice hobby with their old tractor. People , be it ploughmen or spectators want a varied field mostly to remember what they used themselves years ago or can remember seeing being used etc.etc. I personally would not walk over to see your class at a match so should I tell the organisers to stop pandering to you? Have a walk around the next match you go to and see how many people are watching the Fergusson class and then count how many are watching the reversible class , oh of course you won't have time to do that will you as you are too busy ploughing. I was feeling a bit sorry for you with some of the recent posts but by hell you really do deserve the comments you get, take the blinkers off before you become a lonely and bitter old man , try to enjoy everything there is at a ploughing match and make new friends, it's later than you think.
I would very much like to think that our ploughing match is one which encompasses all and welcomes everybody.
Ploughing is a big tradition - a big hobby and like all things needs to move with the times.
All down to a numbers thing really. A few classes are not too well supported in our area. Go over to Lincolnshire and at some matches the Ferguson class is subdivided into 3 classes - Ferguson, Intermediate Ferguson, Novice Ferguson.
There would seem to be a big division in your logic from thread to thread or even post to post Aitch. Prepared to take fringe group money off em’ (provided they get an information board at the end of the class) but don’t pander to them, welcome them or give them full trophy rights as their work is not up to standard.
Ploughing is a big tradition - a big hobby and like all things needs to move with the times.
All down to a numbers thing really. A few classes are not too well supported in our area. Go over to Lincolnshire and at some matches the Ferguson class is subdivided into 3 classes - Ferguson, Intermediate Ferguson, Novice Ferguson.
There would seem to be a big division in your logic from thread to thread or even post to post Aitch. Prepared to take fringe group money off em’ (provided they get an information board at the end of the class) but don’t pander to them, welcome them or give them full trophy rights as their work is not up to standard.
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Just back from Chertsey, entered into the Vintage Mounted as no Fergie Class and whooped all the blue boys, 1st on count back. Trailer chap won best plot of the day and I think I was 3rd. I guess it goes against tradition that grey can do better than blue in the right conditions. A very wet but fun day!
Just which class wont you be bothering to look at? Reveresable or conventional? No where have I said people should be banned, only the specialist classes, people can still come, but enter in the open class.
12 bore
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Well done Mr noo, just goes to show if your a good ploughman you can use any equipment! I'll hide now and wait for the abuse to start!!!
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Trouble is I've got to pay now to get a cup engraved!!!!Well done Mr noo, just goes to show if your a good ploughman you can use any equipment! I'll hide now and wait for the abuse to start!!!
I am in total agreement (so it will arrive by the bulker load), so, why are there one make classes, if not to give lesser lights a chance to win a trophy?Well done Mr noo, just goes to show if your a good ploughman you can use any equipment! I'll hide now and wait for the abuse to start!!!
Well done. You have proved there is no real need for a special class, so why does it exist?
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Because it's a cheap and affordable class to enter, what's a half decent Ransomes cost?? £1200?? Robin with 183's?? or a 59?? Tried buying any original YL44's lately or even Hendersons?? And besides we have too much fun and banter, sadly lacking today. And everyone loves an underdog!! The ground and conditions just suited our ploughs, which is not always the case.
12 bore
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Is it more to do with the amount of Fergies entered rather than standard of ploughing? When going to vintage rallies sometimes it can be hard to get in your met with we have enough Fergies thanks. As there is so many about would they flood the vintage mounted section. Is it the same with ploughing matches? I know the ferguson plough is much more basic than say a ransomes but surely it should give any plough a run for its money when set up well. I'll put my tin hat back on
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Maybe to help people learn the basics of match ploughing using kit or tractors that they have about the place, as in my case. I would love to see John Kitchen or Keith Williams or Huw Enoch with a Ransomes and see what work they would produce but they enjoy the Fergie Class and do often win, so it means us "learners" have to become better ploughmen to beat them. And if you win all the time I am sure you'd welcome the better competition and in so doing the improved work produced as a whole.
It would be nice to think so, but I can remember when there were no one make classes, and all you could hear from fergy owners was that they stood no chance of winning in the open, so wanted their own class.Is it more to do with the amount of Fergies entered rather than standard of ploughing? When going to vintage rallies sometimes it can be hard to get in your met with we have enough Fergies thanks. As there is so many about would they flood the vintage mounted section. Is it the same with ploughing matches? I know the ferguson plough is much more basic than say a ransomes but surely it should give any plough a run for its money when set up well. I'll put my tin hat back on
Keith Is a multi champion, won the European vintage trailed if my memory is correct and a very gifted ploughman.
So what is preventing them learning in the open class?
Tell me. If your down the pub, and your mate gets you a pint, would you be happy if the barman drank a quarter of it, before handing it over? I presume so, as that the same principle that trophy engraving enjoys!
Still, if you go to South Berks, and I believe FFF&B they still give you all the award and dont pinch a bit of your prize money! If a winner has a long name, the man in second does better out of the match than he does!
12 bore
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Ahh having not been involved in ploughing long enough unfortunately I would not know so I'm just going on my own assumptions. It's probably because I'm a grey Fergie man I'd hate to think of anything being better!
To be honest, I would hate to have to use one! They are adjustment free zones, and there is nothing sculpted about the work, it looks torn and rough. The same can be said for world style, and you can add clumsy to the list!
My favourite work is whole furrow, with a rnd bodied Ransomes 15 RSLD trailer plough, I qualified for the national using one, and defeated all the mounted ploughs, 1981 I think, so I may be the last person to have managed that. Down side is, I have been in world style ever since, and humping a trailer plough about is beyond me now!
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