Yep it's what he told the old man...!And the truth is what??? Am just repeating what Eric told us
'Organic' dairy farmer dropped after selling non-organic milk
- Thread starter Fergieman
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And the truth is what??? Am just repeating what Eric told us
Fair enough.
gone up the hill
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Nothing wrong with Organic farming
Both organic and conventional farming have a place but its a very poor job
when a prominent NFU ex dairy council member is slagging off RT/ farm assurance in defence of organic farming loopholes that clearly need tightening up when it was that council members job to represent dairy farmers on RT/ Farm assurance issues!
The loopholes ref using non organic straw/ meds certainly need tightening up alongside the fact that organic farmers can buy non organic stock and convert them after a few months on farm to organic animals.
Conventional farming is on a drive to reduce vet meds as much as possible and from the sound of some comments on here it is quite possible that some organic farmers are using more meds than conventional farmers.
Plenty of very good and high welfare organic farmers about who are at the top of their game and do a very good job and full credit for them for that and long may that continue
Both organic and conventional farming have a place but its a very poor job
when a prominent NFU ex dairy council member is slagging off RT/ farm assurance in defence of organic farming loopholes that clearly need tightening up when it was that council members job to represent dairy farmers on RT/ Farm assurance issues! The loopholes ref using non organic straw/ meds certainly need tightening up alongside the fact that organic farmers can buy non organic stock and convert them after a few months on farm to organic animals.
Conventional farming is on a drive to reduce vet meds as much as possible and from the sound of some comments on here it is quite possible that some organic farmers are using more meds than conventional farmers.
Plenty of very good and high welfare organic farmers about who are at the top of their game and do a very good job and full credit for them for that and long may that continue
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- South Molton
Once again you show you ignorance of not listening to what is explained to you. It is not loophole but a standard defined in LAW.
No animal can be converted to be organic but can be called converted stock. Therefore can produce organic milk after a lengthy conversion period but never be sold as organic meat.
Unlike red tractor when animal can change overnight to being farm assured meat.
gone up the hill
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No animal can be converted to RT assured overnight.
I really think one poster in particular need to get their facts correct on RT/ farm assurance before making false claims...
Defo a loophole ref the organic standards ref straw/ meds etc and quite clearly miss selling to organic consumers who wrongly believe that organic stock are never treated with meds or eat/ are bedded up on non organic straw.
I think that these issues ref the meds/ straw and that the animals might have had meds/ bedded on non organic straw should clearly be printed on labels of organic milk/ meat and I would have thought any organic farmer that thinks its okay to use meds/ non organic straw would not have any problem with this being printed on labels.
I really think one poster in particular need to get their facts correct on RT/ farm assurance before making false claims...
Defo a loophole ref the organic standards ref straw/ meds etc and quite clearly miss selling to organic consumers who wrongly believe that organic stock are never treated with meds or eat/ are bedded up on non organic straw.
I think that these issues ref the meds/ straw and that the animals might have had meds/ bedded on non organic straw should clearly be printed on labels of organic milk/ meat and I would have thought any organic farmer that thinks its okay to use meds/ non organic straw would not have any problem with this being printed on labels.
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- South Molton
Another like for you
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- South Molton
They do become RT over night. They spend a short time on a RT farm and like magic one day they aren't farm assured the next day they are farm assured. That is over night. I am sure you are fighting against whole life time assurance...That can not happen with organic beef or lamb or dairy cows
I would report it to trading standards ..01392 383000
There's the number for you fill your boots.
GreenerGrass
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gone up the hill
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Just to clarify that non farm assured animals can NOT become assured over night as has been implied on this thread.
They have to be on a assured farm for several months before they can become assured.
Vey sad when any organic farmer seeks to slate non organic farming methods/ assurance schemes like has happened on this thread.
Very clear from many comments from all coventional farmers on this thread that they support/ respect organic farming but such a shame that the odd organic farmer cant return that respect/ support to conventional farmers in the same way
They have to be on a assured farm for several months before they can become assured.
Vey sad when any organic farmer seeks to slate non organic farming methods/ assurance schemes like has happened on this thread.
Very clear from many comments from all coventional farmers on this thread that they support/ respect organic farming but such a shame that the odd organic farmer cant return that respect/ support to conventional farmers in the same way
And all along they are munching on non organic straw
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- South Molton
Back to basics here.
Milk is produced by an animal on a daily basis.
What is fed on a daily basis dictates what milk is produced. It is not stored but flesh is.
So an animal has to be born on an organic holding to be organic. A dairy cow has to go through a conversion period ON an organic farm to produce milk that is longer than the one for meat to become RT assured.
cornishfarmer
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No they do change ovenight. When they get to the magic day they become FA the day before they weren't. It may take 90 days to getthere but they don't have to be born on a FA farm.Just to clarify that non farm assured animals can NOT become assured over night as has been implied on this thread.
They have to be on a assured farm for several months before they can become assured.
Vey sad when any organic farmer seeks to slate non organic farming methods/ assurance schemes like has happened on this thread.
Very clear from many comments from all coventional farmers on this thread that they support/ respect organic farming but such a shame that the odd organic farmer cant return that respect/ support to conventional farmers in the same way
Can a lamb become welsh lamb after a few months or a beef animal become Scottish beef after a few months? No. So why does it become FA? Does the silage grain that you buy in have to be certified FA? Mine has to be certified organic.
You started the slating with the straw comment i am just returning the favour. Those that live is glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
I do have respect for my conventional fellow farmers. I have praised many in our vets practice and the vets for their hard workis seeing the levels of CIAs being massively reduced. We haven't used any here for nearly 12 years.
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- South Molton
Need to know more details
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- South Molton
Whilst you continue your search for the next sub for you Belgian or is it British blue or is it Blackdown blue beef production?
good business I would think
well lots of them seem to do it, must be part of the job, I spose they can't live on just straw
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Think you need to rethink on that one. Bestie matey don't think so.
oh and there may well be a premium for the fodder seller for the night time delivery so everyone is happy
can't see the problem with this model ?
nobody gets hurt ?
and its not like there is any poison changing hands