'Organic' dairy farmer dropped after selling non-organic milk
- Thread starter Fergieman
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- South Molton
That's good. So if its not your cattle or milk are not sold as FA and you are de certified like the farmer in the OP?
robot Jerseys
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- shropshire
Most likely in my view fraud please report to ofg or soil association for them to investigate. Really hacks me off people doing that as its undermining the market premium and consumer trust.
Just going back slightly sorry to the robots and organic. I think that milking with robots and organic is the most natural way to milk cows its just like a calf suckleing (They suckle more than twice a day) and they are allowed to graze. We graze up to a mile away with no feed on the yard. We are open to the public and the visitors love to see the cows doing what they want to do! More farmers need to engage with the consumer and move with what the market wants to see instead to sitting behind the gate saying get off my land!
I would say the way we do it is more natural ie letting the calf do the milking
that said its an odd word natural
what is natural ?
depends where you want to draw the line
robot Jerseys
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- shropshire
True but I don' think a product made with milk that a calf has regurgitated would sell that well.
you could wait till it came out the other end and sell it as omelette mix
robot Jerseys
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- shropshire
True a good sales and marketing team can sell anything where'she ahdb when you need them
gone up the hill
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- Devon
On the organic forage front, organic farmers can get permission to buy non organic forage if they can show that they cannot source any/ enough organic silage etc.
( they don't need permission to buy conventional straw and they can buy as much of this as they like..... )
I would be intrested to know if a farmer does this if are they still allowed to sell the milk/ meat etc from the animals that eat this silage as organic produce.
And yes organic farmers can convert conventional cows to organic status after a few weeks on the organic farm.
( they don't need permission to buy conventional straw and they can buy as much of this as they like..... )
I would be intrested to know if a farmer does this if are they still allowed to sell the milk/ meat etc from the animals that eat this silage as organic produce.
And yes organic farmers can convert conventional cows to organic status after a few weeks on the organic farm.
robot Jerseys
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- shropshire
When we have asked the question about forage we have been told we would have to reconvert the stock.
You can only but in stock that haven't given birth and then they have to have a conversion period when on farm.
A friend of ours recently lost his Milk contact his cows were in conversion but we couldn't bring them here to milk as not organic stock.
You can only but in stock that haven't given birth and then they have to have a conversion period when on farm.
A friend of ours recently lost his Milk contact his cows were in conversion but we couldn't bring them here to milk as not organic stock.
Scholsey
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- Herefordshire
I have heard of farmers who have been putting conventional straw into dairy rations and had their organic status of milk withdrawn. It isn’t quite the free for all you would like to think. How many organic dairy cows actually have access to bedding straw?
Natural
it was natural we eat meat, it was there and it kept us alive so the natural thing to do
it was natural we kept animals, a nice handy supply of meat and milk and other things so the natural thing to do
it was natural we preserved fodder for them for when none was growing, didn't want them pegging out for lack of something to eat
it was natural we kept them inside when the land was wet, didn't want them making a mess so there was nothing for them to eat nest year
it was natural we made fertilizer spread on the land to grow more of the grass they love so much and so we could keep more of them, after all we wanted enough meat and milk and other stuff to go round
it was natural we made medicine to cure them when they are ill, after all they don't give much milk or grow much meat when they are ill or dead
it was natural to fly to the moon, the moon was there and seemed a good place to visit and we could do it so off we went
all good natural things to do don't you think @Kiwi Pete
all in our [our some of our] nature to do so therefore natural
so where do you draw the line for what is natural
it was natural we eat meat, it was there and it kept us alive so the natural thing to do
it was natural we kept animals, a nice handy supply of meat and milk and other things so the natural thing to do
it was natural we preserved fodder for them for when none was growing, didn't want them pegging out for lack of something to eat
it was natural we kept them inside when the land was wet, didn't want them making a mess so there was nothing for them to eat nest year
it was natural we made fertilizer spread on the land to grow more of the grass they love so much and so we could keep more of them, after all we wanted enough meat and milk and other stuff to go round
it was natural we made medicine to cure them when they are ill, after all they don't give much milk or grow much meat when they are ill or dead
it was natural to fly to the moon, the moon was there and seemed a good place to visit and we could do it so off we went
all good natural things to do don't you think @Kiwi Pete
all in our [our some of our] nature to do so therefore natural
so where do you draw the line for what is natural
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- South Molton
9 months actually. What is farm assurance for milk? Think that is one day?
And feed to youngstock that lose their organic status become converted stock and then go through the conversion period.
Seem to keep answering the same old arguments.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
How long is the conversion period?
any that lie on it I would think
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- South Molton
There are a few with blinkers and earplugs who bring up the same old bull.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
The issue is two fold with straw.
1 : Organic cows eating non organic bedding straw.
2 : The muck from the straw will be applied to the organic land.
Perhaps the rules should state that if a organic farm buys in conventional straw then the muck generated cannot be applied to any organic land.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
It is natural to want more and more and more so sky's the limit.
GMO, HGP, obviously natural as this natural fartiliser that is put on to yield more, and make something that is inherently natural (profit from the land)
It is just not natural to give them a ride to slaughter, they should walk
- Location
- South Molton
- Location
- South Molton
Perhaps FA animals should be for their whole life?
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- South Molton
Or not lie on concrete slats