Not sure about that the trailer was there it was quicker and easier seem the natural thing to do
'Organic' dairy farmer dropped after selling non-organic milk
- Thread starter Fergieman
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multi power
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- pembrokeshire
Can you greedy fudgers pass the popcorn down this way please
yep no problem its perfectly natural to eat popcorn [well when sid is in full flow anyway] its tasty and its there so why not eat it, perfectly natural thing to do
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
So they can buy silage for cows non organic non organic straw can use antibiotics, anyone paying a premium for organic meat or milk is getting bumped.
- Location
- South West
But in an Organic system straw muck benifits from having many months or even a couple of years rotting as this helps strengthen it's value.
Organic straw is exceptionally hard to find at all and in very very limited amounts if anyone was to FEED it would have to be Organic and but impossible to get in a volume to bed all organic stock so what else can of&g or SA do for welfare grounds? Maybes it's time for you to convert to organic and become a straw barren with your wheel barrow
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organic is only a set of rules set out by someone and you have to pay a parasite to be able to sell the stuff as organic
anyone can follow those rules and produce stuff in the same way but unless they pay the parasite they can't sell as organic
its not magic, its a good choice of name and marketing
YOU CANNOT USE NON ORGANIC SILAGE AND FORAGE TO FEED TO DAIRY COWS .Even when there was extreme shortage a few years ago !OR STRAW.
apparently any straw has been hard to get so same as any other bugger think of something else for them to lie onBut in an Organic system straw muck benifits from having many months or even a couple of years rotting.
Organic straw is exceptionally hard to find at all and in very very limited amounts if anyone was to feed it but impossible to get in a volume to bed all organic stock so what else can of&g or SA do for welfare grounds? Maybes it's time for you to convert to organic and become a straw barren with your wheel barrow
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- South West
Far far less Organic straw grown and far less dependable a crop to grow with far less yields so nearly like finding hens teeth in a good year.
So use of non organic straw is ok because its convenient
Right I get it now .wouldn't want it to be much of a challenge
- Location
- South Molton
Organic has a Legal definition unlike red tractor, free range, freedom foods, arla garden etc etc
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- South Molton
Some find it a challenge understanding the basics.
Like marketing. You said you thought about converting just for the subs. You are a dying breed and rightly so!
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- South West
No WELFARE as already stated
You can't get organic sawdust or woodchip or sand or lime or anything else organic for them to lie on ?
Scholsey
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- Herefordshire
What is your problem with organic farmers?!? Our organic cake is £390/t at the moment, our close up calvers are on straw for 3 weeks and youngstock upto 9 months old, everything else on cubicles with sawdust. If you dont like it dont buy it, your starting to sound like the farmer equivalent of a vegan with some kind of personal vendetta. The majority of people who buy organic produce are probably far more aware of the rules and regs that govern how their food is produced than people that buy conventional is produced hence why are they happy to pay a premium.
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- South West
No and letting them stay in their own crap has WELFARE issues !!!!!!
BELOWAVERAGE
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But surely that's why organic producers receive a premium, if they take short cuts and use conventional straw, then they should lose the right to call it Organic, used to know an Organic beef chap who bedded his cattle on non organic, and as regards Sid's criticism of Blue cattle, you could call them Jackrussell's and stick them in cruft's but they'd still be cattle, where as Organic stock and conventional straw don't quite work.
Where have I said I have a problem with organic farmers? Could you quote it for me ?
I was just having a discussion about it and other things like what is natural
I did say I had thought about becoming an organic farmer as I could see there was some money to be made from it why would I want to become something I have a problem with
I don't have a problem with them I think its good busness both for them and the non organic farmers that supply them
Scholsey
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- Herefordshire
By belittling our products and making out we are con artists.
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- South Molton