SilliamWhale
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Would you say in general 6 row performs better than 2 row year in year out?
Barley - 6 row or 2 row?
- Thread starter SilliamWhale
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Newer 2 row varieties like Glacier certainly seem to have closed the gap in yield between them. 6 rows are a nighmare for specific weight & volunteers in following crops. It's only because of the extra hybrid yield that I am increasing the area of Volume I'm drilling this autumn.
SilliamWhale
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Volume costs £118 ha seed
Glacier/Tower £66 ha
Farm Saved Cassia would be about between £18 plus royalty and cleaning.
Farm Saved some Propino SB from last year and its parent seed was a bit rubbish but the sample was great so I thought why not. Looks marvellous now so maybe FSS is superior not inferior?
Glacier/Tower £66 ha
Farm Saved Cassia would be about between £18 plus royalty and cleaning.
Farm Saved some Propino SB from last year and its parent seed was a bit rubbish but the sample was great so I thought why not. Looks marvellous now so maybe FSS is superior not inferior?
SRRC
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- Location
- West Somerset
I buy lots of barley for my pig unit and try to avoid 6 row because the specific weights are usually poor. If there is nothing else then I do sometimes have to buy but make sure I take the full deductions for specific weight. You might get a little bit more tonnage but probably not more £££££££££££.
SilliamWhale
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Volume costs £118 ha seed
Glacier/Tower £66 ha
Farm Saved Cassia would be about between £18 plus royalty and cleaning.
Farm Saved some Propino SB from last year and its parent seed was a bit rubbish but the sample was great so I thought why not. Looks marvellous now so maybe FSS is superior not inferior?
So Volume is £52/ha more in seed than teh Glacier/Tower. Add another £10/ha for extra fungicides, mostly for rust around T0. £62/ha at £102/t sale price means you ned an extra 1.65 t/ha yield to cover the additional cost.
Sorry for the Spanish Inquisition, but how does specific weight affect feed value please? This question got asked a lot in 2012 but I have forgotten the answers given then. Lower energy per kg dry matter?
SilliamWhale
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i'm sure you mean you need 0.6 of a ton per h to get cost back
Will as you DD why bother with Wb, never grew Sb till last year as it was too wet in 2012 to drill anything in the autumn,was always scared it would not yield due to lost moisture drilled mine with the claydon and did a smidge over 3 tonnes, after beind cleaned, dried and screened. Costs a lot less than Wb to grow and with sheep you could grow turnips before too.
Mine this year looks like it will out yield the WB which didnt like drowning for six wks this year
Mine this year looks like it will out yield the WB which didnt like drowning for six wks this year
Sort of.
Everyone works from fairly standard figures for barley, generally around 13.2 ME but it can and does vary.
Basically low specific weight means a lot of shell and not a lot of starch and starch is the reason for feeding barley.
I was let down on a number of farms in 2012 by the quality of barley that the farmers were left with. We mainly replaced it with ground maize. It did that good a job that quite a few guys are still feeding it!
SilliamWhale
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To get started and to get some stubble turnips in after. Sb can be sept harvest here quite often so nothing for sheep then.
I very very rarely get 3t s barley
- Location
- Berkshire
My 2 row got the same N & PGR as the Volume. The only difference for me was a T0 for rust which I didn't do on Cassia & Florentine, plus I used Cebara instead of Adexar at T2. Volume did 1.8 t/ha more than the 2 rows, so I'm not massively better off with the Volume but enough.
- Location
- Berkshire
Ok, interesting but our neighbours Volume had 20-30 kg extra N ( he couldn't remember off the top of his head ) than our Glacier at 180 Kg/ha.
How much did your WB receive ?
How much did your WB receive ?
Colin
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- Location
- Perthshire
Volume here same treatment as everything else, except where it was being compared against meridien. 180kgN, t0 kayak, corbel, t1 kayak, proline, bravo, 3c moddus, t2 siltra bravo cerone.
Colin
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- Location
- Perthshire
I'm trying to decide at the moment which variety to put up against Volume in this coming seasons yield comparison trial, thinking glacier at the moment. But on the rest of the barley area I will have some volume and HSS Meridien.
Cassia this year has come up with some quite poor bushel weights. Venture has all brackled over. And Sequel was rubbush yield. I will stick with the Cassia as, despite the bushel being low (will go for feed with no deductions mind) there is stilla big heap.
For you lot putting 190kg/ha N on it, how on earth does it keep stood up!?!? I find 120kg/ha is pushing it, but then much of mine is a 1st cereal.
For you lot putting 190kg/ha N on it, how on earth does it keep stood up!?!? I find 120kg/ha is pushing it, but then much of mine is a 1st cereal.