Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
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Samcowman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cornwall
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Had our annual tb test today and they all passed (y):D:):love::happy::LOL:
Couldnt get these to move from the field :banghead::banghead: they sort of looked at me and went 'fudge off were comfy leave us alone' :banghead::banghead: had to get off the quad and push a few to get them to move and the top picture is the look i got for doing it :rolleyes: they moved after but werent happy about it they were queing up for the crush wanting to go back out :rolleyes: was much easier than pushing them through anyway.
Pissing it down now after threatening to rain for the past 2 days so ive come home for the afternoon. Today is a good day :cool:
Well done on the clear test. Unfortunately we had a reactor on Friday. Still half of them to go unfortunately so who knows what we are going to get.
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
Well done on the clear test. Unfortunately we had a reactor on Friday. Still half of them to go unfortunately so who knows what we are going to get.
Thanks it was a big relief to pass. We had an unconclusive last year that came to nothing after a retest. 4 of my neigjbours have had it recently and one has been down for over a year :(:poop:
Im sorry to.hear about your reactor hopefully it will just be the one inconclusive like mine was
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
It could be the best thing you ever do cattle wise !:LOL:
I bloody hate wild cattle, mostly by having limo’s then Salers. :banghead:
What a joy !:banghead::banghead:
But a visit to John Douglas nr Stranraer changed that and came home with “Thomas “ the Hereford!
Finally breeding the bonkers out of them , and finding working with them sooo much easier ! As in having to leap over gates head first a lot less !:p
Got a yearling AA last year to replace him. Going to criss cross the 2 breeds, and defo no more chuffing hot breeds !;)

Feel I've to step in and defend salers!

We've over 400 salers cows.

Heifers and second calvers all go to saler bull so thinking around 700 pure salers and don't have any problems with temperament.

Perhaps the bloodlines or your management of them was the issue.
 

Samcowman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Thanks it was a big relief to pass. We had an unconclusive last year that came to nothing after a retest. 4 of my neigjbours have had it recently and one has been down for over a year :(:poop:
Im sorry to.hear about your reactor hopefully it will just be the one inconclusive like mine was
Unfortunately not. This one was a proper reactor. Last test had a reactor which came back with lesions. Looks like we will be testing next summer as well now.
 

RushesToo

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Location
Fingringhoe
Why is it bad?

Truthfully, I'm constantly torn regarding ionophores and implants, especially ionophores. At their root, what they do is they increase feed conversion so the animal gets more out of what they eat, therefore requiring less feed to reach a finishing weight. The use of implants can save up to $50 in feed per animal while the use of ionophores can save over $20 every 100 days. If someone owns 1000 animals and can save over $70 on each animal just in feed costs.... You can't fault them their use. Everyone here knows farming is a financial tightrope and you save where you can.

Ionophores also have the added benefit of reducing the animals methane emissions. So while I like the idea of natural raised beef helping support a natural balance in the environment, I can still recognize the hazard potential methane has. Reducing it isn't bad.

As long as scientific research continues to support the evidence that implants don't harm human health and ionophores have no significant impact on antibiotic resistance and bacteria in the soil biom then are they really bad?

Yes, I would rather focus be on breeds with good conversion rates naturally, like Galloways. They can naturally perform at a 4.75 conversion rate while even with inputs, most feedlot animals only reach a 6. But what if you had the genetics and the inputs that allowed you to reduce costs?

Honestly, what I don't like about feedlots are their housing and their feed. An implanted animal on pasture receiving Rumensin is an entirely different animal than an implanted animal receiving Rumensin on a high grain ration. It's the grain that harms them more than the inputs ever will and the housing that requires them to be prophylactically treated and bored out of their minds. Those are what's bad, not the ionophores and not the implants.

@Blaithin I am sure that all these things are for a greater good, but I would rather not eat it - probably just culture, expectation and old fashioned morals. There is something wrong about steroids used in body building as with feeding people cheaper with sugar, fat and tasting to cover the manufacture. There is something that is more important than cheap meat with low CO2 outputs to me, I am from a country that is wealthy enough to allow me the choice to say "enough" and I don't want cheaper meat because there is a drug that will allow it.

I am know that this wealth is a privilege - but so is eating meat and I can chose what I do. I don't want meat cheaper because it costs less to feed, I want it to be expensive - I know this sounds "wrong" but that is how I feel.

This will still take some thinking about - sorry it is an ill thought through answer. I still don't wish to eat stock raised that way.
 

Agrispeed

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Location
Cornwall
Low Co2 in one thing, but we can do better - Farms have a huge ability to capture Carbon, which makes them more fertile and resilient, and lowers inputs. Farming properly actually has the ability to fix the problems humans have created, whilst capturing water to help stop flooding and hundreds of other benefits.

Last year I captured 1kg on carbon per L of milk produced.

My neighbours who annually plough and have intensive (admittedly organic) dairy herd probably produced more than that :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Low Co2 in one thing, but we can do better - Farms have a huge ability to capture Carbon, which makes them more fertile and resilient, and lowers inputs. Farming properly actually has the ability to fix the problems humans have created, whilst capturing water to help stop flooding and hundreds of other benefits.

Last year I captured 1kg on carbon per L of milk produced.

My neighbours who annually plough and have intensive (admittedly organic) dairy herd probably produced more than that :banghead::banghead::banghead:
I think that many run on the assumption that if they have grass, then it means they are as green.
They aren't!!
Interesting statistic, we have looked into carbon capture here extensively, and it isn't as easy as it appears - having a carbon positive operation, I mean.

Well done (y)
 

CornishTone

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BASIS
Location
Cornwall
Low Co2 in one thing, but we can do better - Farms have a huge ability to capture Carbon, which makes them more fertile and resilient, and lowers inputs. Farming properly actually has the ability to fix the problems humans have created, whilst capturing water to help stop flooding and hundreds of other benefits.

Last year I captured 1kg on carbon per L of milk produced.

My neighbours who annually plough and have intensive (admittedly organic) dairy herd probably produced more than that :banghead::banghead::banghead:

This is the sort of information we need to able to gather and benchmark more easily. I think many would be surprised by the end figures for their enterprises.

May I ask how you went about crunching the numbers and is that 1kg just what was taken into your system or is that the balance after inputs and outputs have been taken into account?
 

Agrispeed

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Location
Cornwall
This is the sort of information we need to able to gather and benchmark more easily. I think many would be surprised by the end figures for their enterprises.

May I ask how you went about crunching the numbers and is that 1kg just what was taken into your system or is that the balance after inputs and outputs have been taken into account?

We're part of a (now two!) projects with the Rural Business School and Rothamstead research - one is a full carbon audit of field work and all accounts (takes a trained person about 2 days!) where everything is measured in and out - even down to car business milage. This is also linked to a project where they are actually annually measuring the soil to a depth of 60cm using GPS grids and any increases, decreases and minerals - I think this may also link into being able to benchmark different plants and ability to capture carbon later. It should also give us a map of any nutrient migration over the next few years. In the last few years we have has some nerds do some sampling at field scale and we have been steadily building carbon - particularly noticeable in fields that were previously in an arable rotation. We are now at a steady 11% average with some fields recording at 20%, but I'm somewhat sceptical of these measurements.

Hopefully over the next couple of years they will be able to correlate the account side with the actual soil measurements. Its all a bit quiet at the moment, but I strongly suspect the reason for them doing this is in preparation to be able to accurately estimate carbon capture for a BPS type replacement. Suits me! (y):whistle:
 

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