what on earth

Campbell

Member
Location
Herefordshire
In my early years, the up side of most farming jobs, even as a single person, was that you almost always had a house [free] with the job. The more savvy could use this opportunity to save money for later life, but others just about managed to live at the will of their employers.
 

joe soapy

Member
Location
devon
Dont tell me, you wear a hair shirt too.
actually i have 10 identical shirts for everyday which are very comfortable, 5 of summer weight and 5 winter weight.
also have 1 white shirt for the odd wedding or funeral[actually this one has not seen a wedding for a few years]
these were not cheap, but have the magical property of never needing washing, and can get from the bathroom
to the hangers on their own, this is a complete mystery to me, bit like women, you know i have never seen a woman asleep
in my life, they must do i know but havent a clue when
 

Rowland

Member
No, she put up interest rates so high that businessses with borrowings went tits up. And those with cash in the bank became super wealthy. Funny that.
So people who had saved a few quid to retire on became supper wealthy ? Where as now with low interest rates they just eat into their savings so they think why don’t we buy a knackered house do it up and rent it out then aleast we might get something from our money
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
actually i have 10 identical shirts... can get from the bathroom to the hangers on their own, this is a complete mystery to me, bit like women, you know i have never seen a woman asleep in my life, they must do i know but havent a clue when

The shirts thing is just a weird phenomenon, can't help with that.

But, women will sleep when they are tired... nudge, nudge ;) ;) :censored: (Monty Python, get it?*)

*Check the 'Off Topic' section for more...
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Six words that undermine this view of history:
(i) North Sea Oil;
(ii) Parker-Morris Standards.

Why not read 'Time and Chance' (Farmer Jim's memoirs) and 'Path to Power' (Mrs Thatcher's effort) consecutively, then re-consider the mélange of mis-understandings of history in your observation?

I think this is of little relevance. There was a huge amount of housing built post war particularly which was of very poor quality , both low and high rise. Remember there was a desperate need for new housing to replace bombed out and many old style tenements which sometimes were replaced with worse property . I can still remember the slum clearances in many towns and so frequently the tenants were complaining about the quality of the new build. It was acknowledged and then Parker Morris standards were introduced by law in 1969.
Much of this property very rapidly became the sink estates where tenants were not interested in there houses as they just saw the property as a stepping stone to move on.
Maggie saw that if the tenants could buy them and do them up it was hoped that the areas would improve and very often they did, sadly not always.
The North Sea oil which had already been running a couple of years, Gas, 15 had made boost to a very difficult economy that was inherited. It was widely recognised by all that there government had lost control of the economy being in thrall to the unions.
Previous Labour administrations had made major restructuring of our heavy industry a number one aim, but in the process had completely lost the plot.
Ny trying to thrust jobs at areas where there was high unemployment they had not reckoned on the fact that this workforce could not adapt to the new industries. Further placing large new factories ,steel mills, rolling mills, chemical plants etc. possibly hundreds of miles from their natural base would create huge problems down the line. Steell billet made say in Stockton on Tees , shipped to Girvan to be reheated and rolled , then shipped again to South Wales for galvanising was a recipe for disaster, which meant the end user , say British Leyland making cars notorious for rusting.
Again British Leyland plants where the efficient ones had been shut to re establish in green field sites of high unemployment again meant managers were faced with an impossible task to please their political masters.
Vast sums were thrown at these industries and any oil revenue was seen by union leaders as an easy pot for the chancellor to throw their way to subsidise these behemoths of inefficient manufacturing.
I am certain that Maggie did not get everything right, but those who followed her had plenty of opportunity to fine tune many of the areas where today people are highly critical such as banking reform . Indeed many times her reforms changes were actually enhanced particularly in the banking sector, where certainly the greatest mistakes were made and should have been modified far sooner. The truth was of course the chancellor loved these super bonuses which yielded him vast amounts of tax
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
So people who had saved a few quid to retire on became supper wealthy ? Where as now with low interest rates they just eat into their savings so they think why don’t we buy a knackered house do it up and rent it out then aleast we might get something from our money
The currrent policy is just as wrong as thatchers was
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I think this is of little relevance. There was a huge amount of housing built post war particularly which was of very poor quality , both low and high rise. Remember there was a desperate need for new housing to replace bombed out and many old style tenements which sometimes were replaced with worse property . I can still remember the slum clearances in many towns and so frequently the tenants were complaining about the quality of the new build. It was acknowledged and then Parker Morris standards were introduced by law in 1969.
Much of this property very rapidly became the sink estates where tenants were not interested in there houses as they just saw the property as a stepping stone to move on.
Maggie saw that if the tenants could buy them and do them up it was hoped that the areas would improve and very often they did, sadly not always.
The North Sea oil which had already been running a couple of years, Gas, 15 had made boost to a very difficult economy that was inherited. It was widely recognised by all that there government had lost control of the economy being in thrall to the unions.
Previous Labour administrations had made major restructuring of our heavy industry a number one aim, but in the process had completely lost the plot.
Ny trying to thrust jobs at areas where there was high unemployment they had not reckoned on the fact that this workforce could not adapt to the new industries. Further placing large new factories ,steel mills, rolling mills, chemical plants etc. possibly hundreds of miles from their natural base would create huge problems down the line. Steell billet made say in Stockton on Tees , shipped to Girvan to be reheated and rolled , then shipped again to South Wales for galvanising was a recipe for disaster, which meant the end user , say British Leyland making cars notorious for rusting.
Again British Leyland plants where the efficient ones had been shut to re establish in green field sites of high unemployment again meant managers were faced with an impossible task to please their political masters.
Vast sums were thrown at these industries and any oil revenue was seen by union leaders as an easy pot for the chancellor to throw their way to subsidise these behemoths of inefficient manufacturing.
I am certain that Maggie did not get everything right, but those who followed her had plenty of opportunity to fine tune many of the areas where today people are highly critical such as banking reform . Indeed many times her reforms changes were actually enhanced particularly in the banking sector, where certainly the greatest mistakes were made and should have been modified far sooner. The truth was of course the chancellor loved these super bonuses which yielded him vast amounts of tax
Post war houses were rather well built compared the flat pack rubbish being thrown up now.
 

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
Looking back on that 76 crisis, why didnt they just print the stuff, as our current lot do?
Because it was a Sterling crisis - printing more would just make it worse.

I advised in many RTB conveyancing transactions and hence am in a better position to say what actually happened than my friend ExFarmer. This is what I saw:

1. The houses and flats were all well-cared for and were very sound buys. Fairly self-evident, really.

2. The true buyers were often not the tenants but their wider family, who sensed a Government give away. Again, fairly obvious stuff.

3. I knew the local authority housing chief in my district (also a Labour election agent) who recognised, even then, that the RTB policy prevented new housing stock being built because Mrs Thatcher sensed a political advantage in both giving away our social housing stock and in not replenishing it.

Looking back, it was a shameful episode. Self-defeating, too - Generation Rent will 'do' for the Tories, and deservedly so in my view.

Farmers go around today wishing we had 'another Margaret Thatcher' - actually, it is the very last thing we need if we want to progress.
 
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Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
actually i have 10 identical shirts for everyday which are very comfortable, 5 of summer weight and 5 winter weight.
also have 1 white shirt for the odd wedding or funeral[actually this one has not seen a wedding for a few years]
these were not cheap, but have the magical property of never needing washing, and can get from the bathroom
to the hangers on their own, this is a complete mystery to me, bit like women, you know i have never seen a woman asleep
in my life, they must do i know but havent a clue when
Im not sure if im more jealous of the shirt or the wife !!
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
I am certain Mrs T. would have been totally dismayed to see todays market.
Her dream was a property owning democracy, freed of the devil of inflation wrecking their savings.
Instead we have a generation facing little chance of ever owning their home thanks to a labour government who believed allowing property inflation and the credit boom which went with it, was worth mortgaging the future to bring their dream everything for everyone, no matter if you worked or not
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I am certain Mrs T. would have been totally dismayed to see todays market.
Her dream was a property owning democracy, freed of the devil of inflation wrecking their savings.
Instead we have a generation facing little chance of ever owning their home thanks to a labour government who believed allowing property inflation and the credit boom which went with it, was worth mortgaging the future to bring their dream everything for everyone, no matter if you worked or not
if mrs t believed in a property owning democracy, with people owning one home which they lived in, she wouldntt have repealed the 1947 housing act and created short assured tenancies, or fbts for that matter.
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
if mrs t believed in a property owning democracy, with people owning one home which they lived in, she wouldntt have repealed the 1947 housing act and created short assured tenancies, or fbts for that matter.
Not sure about 1947 act but there was huge pressure in agriculture fripom all sides to change the agricultural tenancies.
It was widely recognised there was a dearth of new tenancies thanks to the fact that once a tenancy was created it was was there until the tenant had no lving heirs.
 

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