Higher purchase cost and runnning costs yes, but you’d do well to read up on the independent trials where they’ve compared splash plate to trailing shoe/dribble bar and disc injection. Splash plate often comes in as the worst
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Higher purchase cost and runnning costs yes, but you’d do well to read up on the independent trials where they’ve compared splash plate to trailing shoe/dribble bar and disc injection. Splash plate often comes in as the worst
Boohoo
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- Newtownabbey
Trials are carried out in ideal conditions. In the real world things are far from ideal and a dribble bar will often leave lines of dry, caked slurry that kill the grass and then get raked into the next cut of silage. Yes, the slurry should've been thinner, the grass should've been cut higher and the rake set higher, but in the real world it doesn't happen.
Speedstar
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
This was the year to see the difference between a splash plate , dribble bar & trailing shoe , trailing shoe was miles better with it being dryer this year as it is put under the grass canopy & grass growth was a lot better than a dribble bar as most put on with a dribble bar in the dry ended up back in the silage as it was laying on top of the grass with no ran to wash it in
What about cost benefits in normal conditions?
All the financial evidence I have ever seen states that the benefit in extra N take up by plant is outweighed by the extra cost in capital, machine running costs and additional fuel costs of dragging another 800kg of scrap behind the tractor.
Real benefit would be from additional number of splash plates running lower to the soil surface. Ie 6 maybe trailed rather than 3 point linkage mounted?
dowcow
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- Lancashire
What about the Moscha Swivel Spouts?
Does anybody use these? Seems a much better farmer solution in that it adds little weight and can be adapted to any tanker including the 1300 gallon Star, and if it manages to cut emissions as well as it claims, should pay for itself a lot more quickly. It might not cut losses as much as a dribble bar, but it isn't going to require any more horse power on the tanker.
Does anybody use these? Seems a much better farmer solution in that it adds little weight and can be adapted to any tanker including the 1300 gallon Star, and if it manages to cut emissions as well as it claims, should pay for itself a lot more quickly. It might not cut losses as much as a dribble bar, but it isn't going to require any more horse power on the tanker.
Speedstar
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- Scottish Borders
Running costs are very low on our trailing shoe,benefits are the very high what value do you put on 20% more grass ?
Capital isn't neither is increased fuel cost of dragging a large lump behind a tanker 10 miles.
Do show me the independent figures on the 20% increase please.
Speedstar
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- Scottish Borders
all these figures are on another tread on here some were
Fuel costs are about £1 per hour more than a splash plate
Have done some trails this year with 2 farms both show 20 % more grass,will put them up later when I am home
Fuel costs are about £1 per hour more than a splash plate
Have done some trails this year with 2 farms both show 20 % more grass,will put them up later when I am home
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Well im sick and tired of spreading with splash plate then getting a dry day or 3 three then getting no growth for ages this is the result of my highly technical experiment lol so i want a trailing shoe, nitrogen saved from t s paying for it i severaly doubt it so i want an old second hand one.
Suckndiesel
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- Location
- Newtownards
Generally you get 3 more units of nitrogen per 1000 gallon with a band spreader, think from trials done it was 9 and 12 units available from splash plate and bandspreader in the spring and 6 and 9 units in the summer, someone can correct that if I'm wrong!
Work with a trailing shoe here and wouldn't do without in the dry weather. You do get more use out of the slurry but the increase in grass growth from the bandspreader can be lost with compaction from extra runs if your trailing shoe or dribble bar isn't a good width.
Speedstar
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Trials we did on two farms this year with weight bridges , slurry put on with tankers & splash plate at 40 cube per hec grass yield chopped at 32%D/M 5198 KG per acre of second cut grass put on with a trailing shoe same rate grass yield was 6457KG per acre at farm number one, Farm number 2 splash plate slurry on with tankers at 50 cube per hec grass yield 6101KG at 30% D/M , slurry put on with the trailing shoe at 50 cube per hec , grass yield 7549 KG per acre with a 29%D/M
I did say independent as many variables.
Speedstar
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
One of them farms was a collage
- Location
- Leicester/England
Yes, they are on the way out and slurry, and digestate, stores will need to be covered. Also the prospect of permitting for large dairy farms.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Only ones spreading above
What about lagoons? Not that it affects me but I was talking to someone recently that seemed to think lagoons would be exempt from covering because it couldn’t be done, that was his opinion anyway.
- Location
- Leicester/England
Yep, them as well, there's no distinction between towers or lagoons. Just slurry stores, and a lagoon would be regarded as a store.
Document is here https://consult.defra.gov.uk/enviro...ents/Clean Air Strategy 2018 Consultation.pdf page 64
dieselboost
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Does anyone know is there any trials being ran or approvals granted to state if this Moscha system is considered equivalent and acceptable to a trailing shoe/dribble bar for environmental scheme purposes? I am in the GLAS scheme here in Ireland and currently have to spread all my slurry using a contractor and trailing shoe. A Mastek retrofit dribble bar for my tank is costing E13,000!!! Would be great is the swivel spout was considered equivalent.
ridger
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- Location
- Tyrone, Northern Ireland
Id think a splash plate is as good as that thing slapping about?
- Location
- Leicester/England
I can't see it myself, it looks to do exactly the same job as a splash plate, i.e. shoots it in to the air, it may give a more even spread, but, for the purposes of ammonia emissions to air, I can't see any benefit.