Stoves
- Thread starter Dmc
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IIRC they will ship anywhere in Europe (tools anyway) Machine mart
Grouse
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Been there done that over 30 years.
Never been happy until now - put in a Town and Country - seriously best choice and best thing ever did as far as stoves go. Reasonably priced and diy install easy. We learned the hard way - cheap stoves are cheap for a reason - horrid inefficient, costly to run and not much heat
Never been happy until now - put in a Town and Country - seriously best choice and best thing ever did as far as stoves go. Reasonably priced and diy install easy. We learned the hard way - cheap stoves are cheap for a reason - horrid inefficient, costly to run and not much heat
Firstly all solid fuel stoves have to be CE approved by law consequently they are built to a reasonable standard , admittedly some better than others , secondly its illegal to DIY install a solid fuel stove,your house insurance would be invalid if it was linked to a claim.HETAS
Whilst Town & Country stoves are a quality product they cost around 3 time that of Machine mart and many other brands.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Not true in Scotland. I installed my own, except the chimney, but it was to replace one I had installed myself previousy. I checked with building control to be sure, then looked up the regulations to be doubley sure. But maybe the law has changed.
Also, don't the regulations in England actually say "a competent person" without stating what quaifications are needed?
From your link above, "We strongly recommend the installation is carried out be a HETAS registered installer". Of course they do, so they can sell more memberships! Actually, the HETAS registered installer who put the cowel on my chimney botched the job. HETAS did not want o know, until I quoted their own web page back to them and offered to tell my story to the newspapers. The smoke was so bad I was rushed to hospital for an ex-ray as I was coughing up blood! There was a gap in the "bird proof cowel" allowing starlings to get in and block the chimney!
A competent person is generally someone who has had formal training, looking at the amount of HETAS fitters in Scotland I`d guess its now law.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
From the H&S site:
A competent person
You must get help from a competent person to enable you to meet the requirements of health and safety law.
A competent person is someone who has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities that allow them to assist you properly. The level of competence required will depend on the complexity of the situation and the particular help you need.
When getting help, you should give preference to those in your own organisation who have the appropriate level of competence (which can include the employer themselves) before looking for help from outside. You must consult health and safety representatives in good time on the arrangements for competent help.
I don't see anything about formal training there. Maybe H&S should update their site if the law has been changed?You must get help from a competent person to enable you to meet the requirements of health and safety law.
A competent person is someone who has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities that allow them to assist you properly. The level of competence required will depend on the complexity of the situation and the particular help you need.
When getting help, you should give preference to those in your own organisation who have the appropriate level of competence (which can include the employer themselves) before looking for help from outside. You must consult health and safety representatives in good time on the arrangements for competent help.
Read what you copied and pasted ,a competent person is.........
Your insurance company will want to know who did the training and ask for certificates / proof, reading the manual that comes with a stove is not training,
To do the job safely you need to know what flue angles can be used, diameter, spillage , airation,ventilation ,distances from combustible material , hearth sizes, CO detector placement etc.
IIRC the only way you can legally get around not using Hetas is to have the building inspectorate sign it off, this costs more than paying a Hetas engineer to sign it off and most won't if they don't install the stove.
This of course is all about Health and safety, something that sadly is treated with contempt by some on this forum.
Your insurance company will want to know who did the training and ask for certificates / proof, reading the manual that comes with a stove is not training,
To do the job safely you need to know what flue angles can be used, diameter, spillage , airation,ventilation ,distances from combustible material , hearth sizes, CO detector placement etc.
IIRC the only way you can legally get around not using Hetas is to have the building inspectorate sign it off, this costs more than paying a Hetas engineer to sign it off and most won't if they don't install the stove.
This of course is all about Health and safety, something that sadly is treated with contempt by some on this forum.
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TheTallGuy
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- Location
- Cambridgeshire
Actually they are not "CE Approved" as there isn't a CE Approvals body for such things! CE regulations are enforced by national governments or their delegated authorities & for most things it is down to the manufacturer or importer to self certify that their products are compliant with the CE regulations - actually EN13240 and EN13229 for solid fuel stoves. So even though you buy a stove with a CE mark there is no guarantee that it is compliant.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Dowling is the one to have, but have you seen the price of firewood, id think twice unless you have your own waste to burn.
- Location
- Devon
You prompting me to say Woodwarm?!
Excellent stoves, made in Devon. What's not to like?
Wouldn't knock some of the Scandinavian stuff though.
We have a woodwarm, lots of heat and very easy to keep in overnight.
renewablejohn
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- Location
- lancs
Come on installing a stove is not rocket science for any practical farmer its no more difficult than a bit of dry stone walling. As others have said Hetas believe they have a monopoly but unless the law has changed recently that is not the case. As for stoves all I would say is get one that is approved for use in a smoke controlled area as the UK government have already warned that for air improvement reasons the existing legislation will be rolled out to cover most of the country not just the urban sprawl of mainly Northern towns and cities.
- Location
- East Sussex
Wouldn’t trust any installer just to get on with the job, hetas or no hetas.
Had a very well known firm locally do a chimney on the man’s cottage and completely fcked it up:
Yes, there is a high grade, 6month old liner in there! The so called professionals that demanded a high price for the job (the old man was soft on the company as it’s a local name) decided backfilling the void with vermiculite wasn’t necessary. Smoke supercooled at the pot and did the above.
Anyone needing work done and I will happily pm who to avoid in Sussex.
Had a very well known firm locally do a chimney on the man’s cottage and completely fcked it up:
Yes, there is a high grade, 6month old liner in there! The so called professionals that demanded a high price for the job (the old man was soft on the company as it’s a local name) decided backfilling the void with vermiculite wasn’t necessary. Smoke supercooled at the pot and did the above.
Anyone needing work done and I will happily pm who to avoid in Sussex.
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Cows 'n grass
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- Location
- Modbury, South Devon
I've just had 3 quotes for lining another chimney and not one of them was going to use vermiculite. They all said they used to use it but it was causing too many damp issues in old buildings.
Total nonsense , Ive worked in the heating industry at manufacturing level and it certainly isnt up to the manufacturer to ensure compliance , each model has to be tested by an accredited testing laboratory and signed off.
Testing
CE approval