holywell farmer
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No deal brexit
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Scribus
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Religion only came into it later, one of the most celebrated rebels was -
Wolfe Tone, a leading Irish revolutionary figure and one of the founding members of the United Irishmen, and is regarded as the father of Irish republicanism and leader of the 1798 Irish Rebellion.
He was also a Protestant.
wanton dwarf
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The majority of Northern Ireland's business is with mainland UK.
If you put the border on the Irish Sea and placed EU tariffs on the same border that would destroy most of Northern Irelands economy.
Not a very good idea for 1.8 million people living and working in Northern Ireland.
warksfarmer
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To be honest I’ve got no real idea what the Irish thing was about as it’s never been of interest to me. What I do know now it’s ruining our brexit which I voted for so if brexit means getting rid of Northern Ireland I’d vote for that without hesitation. In fact visiting Southern Ireland has always been better from a tourist point of view.
warksfarmer
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No it wouldn’t because there wouldn’t be a Northern Ireland. That’s what I’m saying amalgamate them into a single country.
Your enemies ???
Scribus
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There is, or was, a lot of misinformation and bias on both sides, but no simple answer alas. The Irish on the whole, and irrespective of their religious upbringing, just want a peaceful life.
Scribus
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A long slow process which was actually happening, but that country would have been the United States of Europe.
warksfarmer
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And that’s exactly why I voted leave and would do again without hesitation. It’s just hitler all over again but coming in from the back door.
mwj
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It wood be very simple if those goods existed. If you look at US companies , they import finished goods from low cost producers.
That would be like telling you to buy British farm equipment that is manufactured with all British steel and electronics.
Like many situations, spoilt by a noisy minority. I'm with @warksfarmer on where the hard border should be because it's easier to administer but can see why Unionists don't want that.
wanton dwarf
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Changing the status of Northern Ireland to Ireland would not change the nature of business done.
A company doing business and selling to the UK would still have to do exactly the same .. face import tariffs to the UK .. and be at a competative disadvantage to the extent they may well go out of business.
Any company which benefits from UK state aid .. would find itself having none.
wanton dwarf
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Scribus
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It can get more complex than that. I know of one manufacturer who makes his machines in the south and then sends them up the road to be galvanized before they come back for final assembly. The galvanizing plant is local enough, but on the other side of the border. What's he to pay in the way of tariffs?
wanton dwarf
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The obligation of the UK is on UK tax Payers and residents.
The same for Ireland.
The EU does not have any obligation IMHO .. and that is where the problem is.
All could and should be sorted via a free trade agreement. Quite easy to do other than the politicians involved. Ordinary people would have sorted it on day 1 and then gone for a pint for the next 2.5 years .. whilst charging expenses of course.
caveman
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An Eirexit and them joining us in a free trade group would make more sense.
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And he wants to destruct them, Winston Churchill promoted a United States of Europe to try and bring an end to the destruction.
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Not for Ireland
Scribus
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The idea is not without its advocates over here, but realistically I can't see it happening. For better or worse the whole Irish establishment has fallen into the arms of the EU and the EU way of thinking. It's probably just laziness on their behalf, but that's the state of play.
Just returning to the point about the United States of Europe. It has often been noted that Sinn Fein are hard set against being under British rule, yet they are more than happy to accept the dominance of the EU, maybe it was just a way out of the impasse without losing face.
caveman
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