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rhifsaith · Jan 19, 2019

keep a record of which tups go where next autumn

One group of 81 ewes with one Aberfield tup. 27 empty, the ones in lamb are late as it’s the sweeper that’s got them in lamb.
Trouble is he’s now mixed with another 2 that did a cracking job.is there any point taking them to the vet to do a semen test this time of year so he can be a kebab asap
That’s £900 down the swanny.

spin cycle · Jan 19, 2019

rhifsaith said:
keep a record of which tups go where next autumn
One group of 81 ewes with one Aberfield tup. 27 empty, the ones in lamb are late as it’s the sweeper that’s got them in lamb.
Trouble is he’s now mixed with another 2 that did a cracking job.is there any point taking them to the vet to do a semen test this time of year so he can be a kebab asap
That’s £900 down the swanny.

kinda thing i'd do

......would think a fert test would work

Al R · Jan 19, 2019

Thats bad luck that!

M-J-G · Jan 19, 2019

Isn't there a breeding warranty with him?

Should be ok to do a semen test.

yellowbelly · Jan 19, 2019

I think if you're going to test them you need to do it soon - we're on with sorting some tups out for semen export next year and the collection centre reckon once you get out of their natural breeding season it's difficult to get them to jump and the semen is not as good quality.

Maybe they can still spot a jaffa though?

cheviot53 · Jan 19, 2019

Speak to innovis , may be that he got an infection and was temporarily infertile ( pneumonia etc ) but will come right for next year

rhifsaith · Jan 19, 2019

M-J-G said:
Isn't there a breeding warranty with him?

Should be ok to do a semen test.

I doubt it. Didn’t buy any last year so he would have been here 2 seasons at least
Hopefully get them done next week

neilo · Jan 19, 2019

rhifsaith said:
I doubt it. Didn’t buy any last year so he would have been here 2 seasons at least
Hopefully get them done next week

Don’t all the ‘hefty premium chargers’ give a 3 season warranty or something?

I would suggest a semen test in late January wouldn’t be particularly reliable asa measure of what was right at tupping (as you’ve just scanned now). Some rams will be going off now (I’d expect a Texel x BFL to be quite seasonal), whilst others will still be going at it.
I’ve a March born ram lamb that is still jumping and having semen collected now, but he’ll certainly be going off the boil in a few weeks time.

I would have thought it would be better to sit on them for this season, and test them all before tupping next year. If he’s still a problem then, cull him. If he’s fine, then no bother.

Old Tip · Jan 19, 2019

Fine advice @neilo

TL100 · Jan 19, 2019

It will be a double whammy if you test them now and cull the wrong tup because the dud is suddenly 'firing on all four' whilst one that has actually done the job isn't!

@rhifsaith don't forget to fill in the Innovis scanning results survey form.

Sharpy · Jan 19, 2019

Could the lambs be dna tested?

rhifsaith · Jan 20, 2019

Sharpy said:
Could the lambs be dna tested?

No,ewes been mixed now

Sharpy · Jan 20, 2019

rhifsaith said:
No,ewes been mixed now

Yes, but none of them are his!

rhifsaith · Jan 20, 2019

neilo said:
Don’t all the ‘hefty premium chargers’ give a 3 season warranty or something?

I would suggest a semen test in late January wouldn’t be particularly reliable asa measure of what was right at tupping (as you’ve just scanned now). Some rams will be going off now (I’d expect a Texel x BFL to be quite seasonal), whilst others will still be going at it.
I’ve a March born ram lamb that is still jumping and having semen collected now, but he’ll certainly be going off the boil in a few weeks time.

I would have thought it would be better to sit on them for this season, and test them all before tupping next year. If he’s still a problem then, cull him. If he’s fine, then no bother.

Ach right,scrap the test for now then
Doubt there’ll be any warranty on him,unless I catch Dewi in a good mood.
Looks like he’s going to get a few more months on this earth then.

JD-Kid · Jan 20, 2019

can't recall the numbers but. recall reading about 10% of. rams are gay
semen test. might show he's. got. good levels just. bats for the other side

neilo · Jan 20, 2019

Sharpy said:
Could the lambs be dna tested?

You could keep a ram for several years for the cost of DNA testing currently.

Sharpy · Jan 20, 2019

neilo said:
You could keep a ram for several years for the cost of DNA testing currently.

Aaahh......

Aspiring Peasant · Jan 21, 2019

It;s stories like this that make me think I'm right in thinking the sales pitch of a tup being able to cover 100 ewes and therefore costing more is only that, a sales gimmick. In the real world they step down a rabbit hole or have other problems. It's false economy to scrimp on tups

MattWG · Jan 21, 2019

Don’t bother testing now, we had trouble last year and tested the rams that were in that bunch and the semen sample was to poor to tell.
We had them retested about 3 weeks before tupping and got a better sample but still not as easy as you would think.
£900 seems a lot of money, our vet does it for £50 a ram and we do it every year. It may cost a bit but it cost us £20000 in empty ewes so cheap after that

neilo · Jan 21, 2019

MattWG said:
Don’t bother testing now, we had trouble last year and tested the rams that were in that bunch and the semen sample was to poor to tell.
We had them retested about 3 weeks before tupping and got a better sample but still not as easy as you would think.
£900 seems a lot of money, our vet does it for £50 a ram and we do it every year. It may cost a bit but it cost us £20000 in empty ewes so cheap after that

I think the OP was suggesting that it was a £900 Aberfield ram down the swanny, rather than the cost of a semen test.

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