"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Henarar · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
I haven't noticed him on here very much of late.
Hope he's OK, much as we have very different outlooks on life (very )
I only have one person on ignore, but he deliberately tries to wind me up (by his own admission) and I'm too old for that sh!t.

In 13 months time I'll be 40, if I was 14 I'd play his game

Just a mear wipper snapper then

Henarar · May 7, 2019

holwellcourtfarm said:
Some of it, yes. The rest just drives me mad.

Will go with that he is spot on right about some things

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

Henarar said:
Just a mear wipper snapper then

I was born with an old soul...

I wasn't really joking about being the progeny of a long line of late breeders, most of my generation are long dead and their children are in their 60's or older, our clan skipped a generation and a half (technically speaking)
If the last 4 generations had all bred at 25 I would be 117 years old already

Henarar · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
I was born with an old soul...

I wasn't really joking about being the progeny of a long line of late breeders, most of my generation are long dead and their children are in their 60's or older, our clan skipped a generation and a half (technically speaking)
If the last 4 generations had all bred at 25 I would be 117 years old already

So by that you have got on with the job quite well

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

Henarar said:
So by that you have got on with the job quite well

I didn't really plan on children but reckoned by 30 I would have enough behind me that I would be able to provide for a family of 4, without having my hand held out to the state

And that's largely what eventuated, thanks to my first knots coming undone.....
Won't be anymore, we both got fixed after the wee fella hatched.

Likewise I won't apply for a passport as what's the big idea?
- Spend your life attempting to offset your family carbon emissions by farming right, then fly across the planet to talk to a conference about how well you did until you got in a plane to tell them about it...

I am still a hypocrite
I am still prejudiced and I am still weak

But I realise!

holwellcourtfarm · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
She's a cool chick alright.
Nice to see so many NZ young farmers in attendance

She has a definite point, whether it's simply our antipodean "tall poppy syndrome" but few actually want to talk about profit - maybe it's just a farmer thing, wanting to talk the job down?

My books are back from the accountant - past financial year we made 68% profit/turnover through the ranch
88% of that profit went to the bank for interest + principal (so far, I haven't taken my cut out)

@Sheila Cooke will love that bit of info

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

holwellcourtfarm said:
@Sheila Cooke will love that bit of info

I know I do.
The thing with money is that it's important to realise that it really is powerless - we give it power, we ourselves make the choice to enslave ourself, and that's fine.

But as land managers, it's equally important to realise that this is not a part of nature: the land should not have to make up for what some dimwit paid for it, or rented it for.
Or how many people each acre should feed, most of it didn't design itself around our needs as prolific idiots, in fact I can't think of a single example where it did

I love my land, and money is to be made if you love land for long enough - and do whatever it takes

Tassie Farmer · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
I'll drink to that.
Welcome to the fray, mate!

You might be my nearest Aussie neighbour on here, where are you based and what do you farm?
To save you reading all my drivel, we're sheep and beef/ dairy grazing here, and tucked down the southeast corner of the south island .

Hi Pete, thanks for the warm welcome, Steve from north west Tasmania here, we’re angus beef farmers and ag Contractor’s with dairy all around us, I stumbled on this forum after having a gut full of all the activists garbage on farmers do it better lol, well found this site registered, logged on and straight up, what popped up! That flaming electric fence post of farmer Roy’s “here we go again” lol well I think I might’ve jumped to conclusions a bit quick yep! Seems like a great bunch here and am keen to get to know you guys

holwellcourtfarm · May 7, 2019

Tassie Farmer said:
Hi Pete, thanks for the warm welcome, Steve from north west Tasmania here, we’re angus beef farmers and ag Contractor’s with dairy all around us, I stumbled on this forum after having a gut full of all the activists garbage on farmers do it better lol, well found this site registered, logged on and straight up, what popped up! That flaming electric fence post of farmer Roy’s “here we go again” lol well I think I might’ve jumped to conclusions a bit quick yep! Seems like a great bunch here and am keen to get to know you guys

You ARE in the "safe zone" in this thread though Steve (Welcome BTW).

PLEASE don't go near the Brexit threads

Oh, and NEVER post asking "Which pickup" is best (or tractor make or beef breed or....)

hendrebc · May 7, 2019

Isn't Roy an anti coal mining activist?

Tassie Farmer · May 7, 2019

holwellcourtfarm said:
You ARE in the "safe zone" in this thread though Steve (Welcome BTW).

PLEASE don't go near the Brexit threads

Oh, and NEVER post asking "Which pickup" is best (or tractor make or beef breed or....)

Hi holwellcourtfarm, thanks mate not too sure about the safe zone though but definitely have no intention of going anywhere near brexit, and definitely no better than asking silly questions haha

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

Tassie Farmer said:
Hi Pete, thanks for the warm welcome, Steve from north west Tasmania here, we’re angus beef farmers and ag Contractor’s with dairy all around us, I stumbled on this forum after having a gut full of all the activists garbage on farmers do it better lol, well found this site registered, logged on and straight up, what popped up! That flaming electric fence post of farmer Roy’s “here we go again” lol well I think I might’ve jumped to conclusions a bit quick yep! Seems like a great bunch here and am keen to get to know you guys

You'll soon work out what makes it tick - generally threads descend into handbag fights after a page or two due to the "mine's better" game (generally the result of an inferiority complex)

Mine's not better at all, and I know it...
We've had a bit of a climate change down here, still the lucky country but really the theme of this thread is how to think your way to better outcomes, rather than work your way to worse ones.. in my case we've had 9 summer dry years out of ten and conventional "bale it up" management just isn't doing the business, I have several neighbours about ready to put their farms on the market.
What they don't necessarily see is that their management is the leading cause of their troubles: wishing and hoping for rain or sun isn't having the same effect as working with what they've got.

So it's been a hell of a journey, and it's really starting to click now.

As for the welcome, you're welcome

Blaithin · May 7, 2019

Mines better but being female I recognize the futility of discussing that with men so I just nod and smile and let them think what they will

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

Blaithin said:
Mines better but being female I recognize the futility of discussing that with men so I just nod and smile and let them think what they will

You must do an awful lot of head-shaking in this "male-dominated world"

My poor wife despairs, she says she's been trying for a decent argument since the day we met - but I just agree with whatever she says
It's rubbed off, the worm has turned, and I see just how infuriating it can be

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

hendrebc said:
Isn't Roy an anti coal mining activist?

Needs a good run of frosts

I don't like coal mining either, until I want some heat!

holwellcourtfarm · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
I have several neighbours about ready to put their farms on the market.
What they don't necessarily see is that their management is the leading cause of their troubles: wishing and hoping for rain or sun isn't having the same effect as working with what they've got.

PETE! Don't go telling them that or We'll NEVER buy a good farm cheap when we get there

Blaithin said:
Mines better but being female I recognize the futility of discussing that with men so I just nod and smile and let them think what they will

Tassie Farmer · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
You'll soon work out what makes it tick - generally threads descend into handbag fights after a page or two due to the "mine's better" game (generally the result of an inferiority complex)

Mine's not better at all, and I know it...
We've had a bit of a climate change down here, still the lucky country but really the theme of this thread is how to think your way to better outcomes, rather than work your way to worse ones.. in my case we've had 9 summer dry years out of ten and conventional "bale it up" management just isn't doing the business, I have several neighbours about ready to put their farms on the market.
What they don't necessarily see is that their management is the leading cause of their troubles: wishing and hoping for rain or sun isn't having the same effect as working with what they've got.

So it's been a hell of a journey, and it's really starting to click now.

As for the welcome, you're welcome

Yeah, know what you mean, we had 9 years of that too combined with terrible cattle prices, only 1/4 of the normal crops silage etc. but it’s back to normal now, the last five years have been terrific seasons combined with great cattle prices so can’t complain, your method is the only one that works so stick with it, I know 9 years between drinks is a big ask but try remaining positive and like you said work with what you’ve got [emoji106]

Kiwi Pete · May 7, 2019

Tassie Farmer said:
Yeah, know what you mean, we had 9 years of that too combined with terrible cattle prices, only 1/4 of the normal crops silage etc. but it’s back to normal now, the last five years have been terrific seasons combined with great cattle prices so can’t complain, your method is the only one that works so stick with it, I know 9 years between drinks is a big ask but try remaining positive and like you said work with what you’ve got [emoji106]

It's really highlighted the farmer's reluctance to change, amongst other disabilities.
Incredible that they still blame "the weather" after so much loss.

But, conversely it's been really useful to mull it over with folk from Canada and Aussie and the UK and find the common things that make business successful - as with anything in life, either you do whatever it takes, or you don't and have a big cry about it.

The world really doesn't care if we sink or swim, the soil doesn't care for peer-reviewed poisons, and the weather certainly doesn't give a fig if we think it will rain or not!

holwellcourtfarm · May 7, 2019

Tassie Farmer said:
Hi holwellcourtfarm, thanks mate not too sure about the safe zone though but definitely have no intention of going anywhere near brexit, and definitely no better than asking silly questions haha

Good luck with working your way through the other "safe" thread: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...dom-thoughts-i-never-said-it-was-easy.186684/

Only 1000 pages of it

Blaithin · May 7, 2019

Kiwi Pete said:
It's really highlighted the farmer's reluctance to change, amongst other disabilities.
Incredible that they still blame "the weather" after so much loss.

But, conversely it's been really useful to mull it over with folk from Canada and Aussie and the UK and find the common things that make business successful - as with anything in life, either you do whatever it takes, or you don't and have a big cry about it.

The world really doesn't care if we sink or swim, the soil doesn't care for peer-reviewed poisons, and the weather certainly doesn't give a fig if we think it will rain or not!

Some things you just have to blame the weather on. No matter what management you use

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