The "I`ve got it" thread...

JCMaloney · Apr 17, 2020

Another one that boils my urine....................... ventilators.

Some (Mclaren, Dyson etc) set to reverse engineering a known machine. Top marks, up and into production. Perfect.

Other small firms "sent an email " (probably offering their untested gizmo) with little thought as to the practicalities.

If a Nurse grabs a ventilator she wants it to work and be familiar (trained) in its use. They don`t want to be looking at it with a set of instructions while the patient is gasping for air!

Christoph1945 · Apr 17, 2020

JCMaloney said:
Another one that boils my urine....................... ventilators.

Some (Mclaren, Dyson etc) set to reverse engineering a known machine. Top marks, up and into production. Perfect.

Other small firms "sent an email " (probably offering their untested gizmo) with little thought as to the practicalities.

If a Nurse grabs a ventilator she wants it to work and be familiar (trained) in its use. They don`t want to be looking at it with a set of instructions while the patient is gasping for air!

I have just read tell that they hope to trial a vaccine sometime next week but how and when will they know if it works?
I spose if the trialist get the virus and die , then it just wouldn't be working; would it?

JCMaloney · Apr 17, 2020

Christoph1945 said:
I have just read tell that they hope to trial a vaccine sometime next week but how and when will they know if it works?
I spose if the trialist get the virus and die , then it just wouldn't be working; would it?

Won`t be that quick.................. and they won`t risk life on it. You may have misheard.

JCMaloney · Apr 17, 2020

Numbers...............
Up to midnight April 16th
Confirmed inpatients 182
Discharged 280
Deceased 137

This is what we have been working on, as far as is publicly available:

Coronavirus: world's biggest trial of drug to treat Covid-19 begins in UK

Scientists involved in Recovery trial, with over 5,000 test subjects, hope for answers within weeks

www.theguardian.com

JeepJeep · Apr 17, 2020

Hows are staff recorded as being off in isolation where you are @JCMaloney ?

Missus has just been put down for the shifts she was due to work whilst off... So therefore no record.

No mention of it to her.. Straight back at it whilst the staff drop like flys with it.

The Daughters 14 days is up shortly. Eldest is a special for the Police... just been accepted as full time prior to this kicking off , so she'll be out and about although not quite as often. if she was to go down with it , in theory the missus would have to 14 days at home am I right? Even though theres 99.9% chance she's had it.

Muck Spreader · Apr 17, 2020

JeepJeep said:
No... breathing it in and getting covered in it for fun now.

I take it that's tongue in cheek?

JeepJeep · Apr 17, 2020

Muck Spreader said:
I take it that's tongue in cheek?

Indeed it is...

Of course she's still f**king using PPE... why wouldnt she need it?

bobk · Apr 17, 2020

JCMaloney said:
Numbers...............
Up to midnight April 16th
Confirmed inpatients 182
Discharged 280
Deceased 137

This is what we have been working on, as far as is publicly available:

Coronavirus: world's biggest trial of drug to treat Covid-19 begins in UK

Scientists involved in Recovery trial, with over 5,000 test subjects, hope for answers within weeks

www.theguardian.com

So how many new cases are you seeing on average / day ?

Princess Pooper · Apr 17, 2020

JCMaloney said:
Numbers...............
Up to midnight April 16th
Confirmed inpatients 182
Discharged 280
Deceased 137

This is what we have been working on, as far as is publicly available:

Coronavirus: world's biggest trial of drug to treat Covid-19 begins in UK

Scientists involved in Recovery trial, with over 5,000 test subjects, hope for answers within weeks

www.theguardian.com

great to see the inpatient numbers dropping rather than rising.

grainboy · Apr 17, 2020

JCMaloney said:
Depends on the structure of the organisation.
In our Trust we have Service Managers for each speciality that is the nearest to a General Manager.
In turn they report to Clinical Management Groups (CMGs) or Corporate Directorates (Non-Clinical)
Each CMG or Corporate Lead is Director level.
The Directors report to a Chief Executive.
Then you have a Chairman & Trust Board

Management in the NHS is split between operational and strategic ( and those two rarely agree!!) and clinical/non-clinical.

Clincally speaking every shift has a Duty Manager, 24/7/365 and there is always a Director on call.

That will be why there’s not enough money to go round then. !!!!
Management Top Heavy, then can’t afford the staff, to do the dirty work!!!

Hesston4860s · Apr 17, 2020

grainboy said:
That will be why there’s not enough money to go round then. !!!!
Management Top Heavy, then can’t afford the staff, to do the dirty work!!!

I thought it sounded an expensive way of running things, but didn’t like to say.

arcobob · Apr 17, 2020

grainboy said:
That will be why there’s not enough money to go round then. !!!!
Management Top Heavy, then can’t afford the staff, to do the dirty work!!!

That is pyramid management building. Seen it in industry throughout my lifetime but in true commerce the results are brutal but in the NHS the public keep on shovelling in money.

RushesToo · Apr 17, 2020

arcobob said:
That is pyramid management building. Seen it in industry throughout my lifetime but in true commerce the results are brutal but in the NHS the public keep on shovelling in money.

@grainboy @arcobob
Some interesting numbers here:

Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

These are the nations getting the best value for money from their healthcare systems.

www.weforum.org

UK has a life expectancy of over 80 and the costs are below 10% of GDP. Israel and Korea look cheaper and better.......
Spain and Italy look better but more costly.
America is an expensive joke.

Which model would you choose?

ollie989898 · Apr 17, 2020

RushesToo said:
@grainboy @arcobob
Some interesting numbers here:

Economics of healthcare: which countries are getting it right?

These are the nations getting the best value for money from their healthcare systems.

www.weforum.org

View attachment 871436

UK has a life expectancy of over 80 and the costs are below 10% of GDP. Israel and Korea look cheaper and better.......
Spain and Italy look better but more costly.
America is an expensive joke.

Which model would you choose?

The NHS does very well at sweating every pound- the UK is one of the best for this, I guess Britons really are meanies with cash. But we lag behind in a few other metrics.

I don't know what rates of obesity are like on South Korea. If they are much slimmer than us they are already on to a winner. However, life expectancy is a bit of a crude measure of healthcare success.

UK spending does lag behind several European countries.

Christoph1945 · Apr 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The NHS does very well at sweating every pound- the UK is one of the best for this, I guess Britons really are meanies with cash. But we lag behind in a few other metrics.

I don't know what rates of obesity are like on South Korea. If they are much slimmer than us they are already on to a winner. However, life expectancy is a bit of a crude measure of healthcare success.

UK spending does lag behind several European countries.

I have read, historically, that life expectancy among the Israelites was considerably higher than some of their neighbouring countries and tribes; perhaps due to their selective diet and fastidious hygiene practices. Who was it that said cleanliness is next to godliness?

Steevo · Apr 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The NHS does very well at sweating every pound- the UK is one of the best for this, I guess Britons really are meanies with cash. But we lag behind in a few other metrics.

I don't know what rates of obesity are like on South Korea. If they are much slimmer than us they are already on to a winner. However, life expectancy is a bit of a crude measure of healthcare success.

UK spending does lag behind several European countries.

Surprisingly that graph above does show the UK looking pretty good compared to other countries across the globe.

ollie989898 · Apr 17, 2020

Steevo said:
Surprisingly that graph above does show the UK looking pretty good compared to other countries across the globe.

It's comparing the wrong things. Total spend vs life expectancy is a bit misleading.

ollie989898 · Apr 17, 2020

Christoph1945 said:
I have read, historically, that life expectancy among the Israelites was considerably higher than some of their neighbouring countries and tribes; perhaps due to their selective diet and fastidious hygiene practices. Who was it that said cleanliness is next to godliness?

You don't think it is because the Israelis are basically a small Western country with a developed economy and infrastructure where as some of the surrounding countries are run as fiefdoms by by crooks?

Hindsight · Apr 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
You don't think it is because the Israelis are basically a small Western country with a developed economy and infrastructure where as some of the surrounding countries are run as fiefdoms by by crooks?

Think you missed his point old boy - Christoph is now off on a tangent about health around 2000 years ago

ollie989898 · Apr 17, 2020

Hindsight said:
Think you missed his point old boy - Christoph is now off on a tangent about health around 2000 years ago

Ah I see. Back to this ancient book thing. They did have some good ideas in days of yore. Like drinking wine out of lead containers.

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