Bison to be reintroduced to Kent woodland

Katarina · Jul 11, 2020

GeorgeC1 said:
I fully support controlled rewilding of the UK, the thing is most of these ancient British species lived in *forests* zoom in to pretty much any part of the UK randomly and you'll see fields, Limited rewilding is happening in Scotland.

I would support greater investment into it - in terms of Biodiversity we're closer to easter island than what many people realise.

Good for you. We saw first hand what Rewilding Britian's great Rewilding vision was when they tried to push it on the mid Wales communities around Plumlumon . It was a complete farce from start to finish.

George Monbiet and his barmy army can do nothing else other than slate us who live and take great care to manage our countryside.

I'm Fed up of hearing there rhetoric and B*llsh*t.

egbert · Jul 11, 2020

I've been thinking...

do they get TB? (almost certainly)

So, in 10 years when some have been 'accidentally' released in a heavily wooded area elsewhere, or been let out by unknown extremists, picked up TB, and then start meeting someones cattle.....
The liability matter needs dealing with right now, before it goes a step further.

It's already pretty apparent which moron was instrumental in releasing the beavers locally, and I would very dearly love to see him held to account when they dig under/drop a tree upon/whatever they might do to........ something expensive.
(So far, they're being sheltered by a large estate sympathetic, and everyone is loved up about it.... but they will surely spread where they're unwanted)
We need to get on this now.

Who is liable when a bison strays onto the main road, and someone dies in the ensuing RTA?

Bogweevil · Jul 11, 2020

Bison today, wolves tomorrow...

JP1 · Jul 11, 2020

Exfarmer said:
It needs a little sideways thinking.
These people are not totally stupid.
Come up with such a daft scheme, And get mega kudos for shutting off your estate to every Tom, Dick and harry who wants to use their right to roam.
I am seriously thinking about making my Garden a reserve for some seriously endangered species, not sure what yet, any good suggestions!.

Maybe I acted before the grant application but I've just turned two protective Galloway cows and calves on the back bottom garden area .............

Very pleased to help

Exfarmer · Jul 11, 2020

50 years ago in this same part of the world, friends of my father made a good living producing stakes and many other woodland products from the woods in the area which were mainly oak and chestnut. They did this by rotational coppicing which had been going on in the Ashdown forest probably since a stone age local enjoyed the last bison t bone steak.
However the historic practices were not good enough for the locals who began a campaign to stop this destruction of the Forest as they portrayed it. After a long campaign and considerable intimidation our friends gave up the business and sold the forest to a local woodland trust.
today the trust pays a lot of money to people with chain saws and chippers to recreate the coppicing which is now recognised to have massive environmental gains.

JP1 · Jul 11, 2020

egbert said:
I've been thinking...

do they get TB? (almost certainly)

So, in 10 years when some have been 'accidentally' released in a heavily wooded area elsewhere, or been let out by unknown extremists, picked up TB, and then start meeting someones cattle.....
The liability matter needs dealing with right now, before it goes a step further.

It's already pretty apparent which moron was instrumental in releasing the beavers locally, and I would very dearly love to see him held to account when they dig under/drop a tree upon/whatever they might do to........ something expensive.
(So far, they're being sheltered by a large estate sympathetic, and everyone is loved up about it.... but they will surely spread where they're unwanted)
We need to get on this now.

Who is liable when a bison strays onto the main road, and someone dies in the ensuing RTA?

Who / how / what will go in and round them up for TB testing ?

Exfarmer · Jul 11, 2020

JP1 said:
Maybe I acted before the grant application but I've just turned two protective Galloway cows and calves on the back bottom garden area .............

Very pleased to help

You might think thats funny

I thinks it would s be a great idea, sadly I dont think there is enough feed down there

JP1 · Jul 11, 2020

Exfarmer said:
You might think thats funny

I thinks it would s be a great idea, sadly I dont think there is enough feed down there

I'm not sure your dear Lady wife would agree with her delightful garden some how

GeorgeC1 · Jul 11, 2020

neilo said:
It seems that even the eco-lunatics can see problems with this one then.

I don't see this as 'eco-lunatics" whatever that is lol

GeorgeC1 · Jul 11, 2020

egbert said:
that's just fine...as long as they're responsible for any further damage- with proved ongoing indemnity insurance*- , and neighbours are allowed to knock them over at will.

*wouldn't it be nice if I could claim from those responsible for the thousands of pounds lost to grey squirrel damage?

That's the problem with any large scale reintroduction, nimby farmers shooting them. ??

Future generations do deserve to live in an island that hasn't turned into easter island ecologically imo

Raider112 · Jul 11, 2020

Exfarmer said:
50 years ago in this same part of the world, friends of my father made a good living producing stakes and many other woodland products from the woods in the area which were mainly oak and chestnut. They did this by rotational coppicing which had been going on in the Ashdown forest probably since a stone age local enjoyed the last bison t bone steak.
However the historic practices were not good enough for the locals who began a campaign to stop this destruction of the Forest as they portrayed it. After a long campaign and considerable intimidation our friends gave up the business and sold the forest to a local woodland trust.
today the trust pays a lot of money to people with chain saws and chippers to recreate the coppicing which is now recognised to have massive environmental gains.

People are good at lecturing locals on what they should be doing while flatly refusing to hear the arguments on why it's being done in the first place, controlled moorland burning and predator control being just two examples off the top of my head.

flowerpot · Jul 11, 2020

Beavers have turned out to be rather successful, I understand from several magazine articles.
The TB thing for the Bison is rather a worry, but how do the Wild White cattle herds manage about TB testing?
And I have eaten Bison in the USA, very good.

curlietailz · Jul 11, 2020

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Tim G · Jul 11, 2020

JP1 said:
Who / how / what will go in and round them up for TB testing ?

Ear tagging looks fun. Can't even see its ears!

teslacoils · Jul 11, 2020

I'm led to believe that bison require the same rules and regs as cattle re tagging and tb testing. Although I'm not sure if outright refusal can result in any penalties outside the bps scheme.

Bald Rick · Jul 11, 2020

flowerpot said:
... how do the Wild White cattle herds manage about TB testing?

The Chillingham cattle (interesting fact - on the state owned by the father in law of Dominic Cummings) are exempt for the simple reason that they have no human interaction at all and can only be viewed from a distance. In essence, they are considered to be wild.
Whether bison would be considered wild too is doubtful as there is (or was) a reasonable sized herd at Lord Newboroughs estate at Rhug, Corwen where you can / could buy organic bison meat

See the bison with Lordy on this promo vid of his estate

The Estate | Rhug Estate

rhug.co.uk

Bald Rick · Jul 11, 2020

Also, a recent Ben Fogle programme on Channel 5 , visited the Russian tundra to meet a bloke who was trying to reverse the thawing of the permafrost through the reintroduction of large grazing animals (ie bison) so perhaps we shouldn’t be too skeptical

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Prairie · Jul 11, 2020

Bald Rick said:
The Chillingham cattle (interesting fact - on the state owned by the father in law of Dominic Cummings) are exempt for the simple reason that they have no human interaction at all and can only be viewed from a distance. In essence, they are considered to be wild.
Whether bison would be considered wild too is doubtful as there is (or was) a reasonable sized herd at Lord Newboroughs estate at Rhug, Corwen where you can / could buy organic bison meat

See the bison with Lordy on this promo vid of his estate

The Estate | Rhug Estate

rhug.co.uk

Prairie · Jul 11, 2020

We have a bison herd in one of the local national parks here in Manitoba Canada which are fenced in, you can drive through the area but cannot get out of your vehicle. Occasionally they do get out although the fence is at least 8 ft high with cattle grids at the entrances. When they do get out it is a difficult situation to get them back in, a dog and stick does not work. During calving time when they are at their most aggressive they are taken into an area where the fence is extremely strong at the enclosure is closed to the public. It's certainly an experience seeing them here are some photos

taken last week.

Bald Rick · Jul 11, 2020

Prairie said:
We have a bison herd in one of the local national parks here in Manitoba Canada which are fenced in, you can drive through the area but cannot get out of your vehicle. Occasionally they do get out although the fence is at least 8 ft high with cattle grids at the entrances. When they do get out it is a difficult situation to get them back in, a dog and stick does not work. During calving time when they are at their most aggressive they are taken into an area where the fence is extremely strong at the enclosure is closed to the public. It's certainly an experience seeing them here are some photosView attachment 893697 View attachment 893697 View attachment 893698 View attachment 893699 View attachment 893700 View attachment 893698 View attachment 893699 View attachment 893700 taken last week.

Amazing to think they numbered in their millions until the white eyes pushed west in the 1840s.

Humans have a lot to answer for
(Passenger Pigeons too)

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