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Farmer Roy

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How finicky Roy? Might have a spare pivot this summer....a cash crop would be handy when the wheat comes off.
There has been a few Mung bean crops around here. Never heard of big yields. I was thinking of preirrigating wheat stubble and sowing into moisture and hoping it gets through with a couple of summer storms.

very finicky
being such a short season ( 90 days ) crop, they just dont have the time to recover from any set backs or to grow through problems
they are also susceptible to a number of diseases you cant do much about & of course, there is always insect pressure

you plant a crop of wheat, or barley, or grain sorghum for example, if starting conditions are good & you do everything right, you have a reasonable expectation of what the result might be - not so much with mungs. They werent nicknamed "mongrel beans" for nothing . . .

having said that, they are one of my favourite crops & do have the potential to be very profitable - you just dont want to be betting sheep stations on them

as for yield - remember they are graded quite severely as they are sold straight into human consumption markets & in that regard are closer to fresh vegetables than grain. You can easily lose 10 - 20% or more of your yield in gradings. The other big issue is freight - most of the buyers tend to be located on the Darling Downs in Qld ( at least, most of the ones I know. There were local buyers / graders here, but have since gone broke or closed ), so that is a significant cost. Grading / bagging costs can also be around $100 / t.
However, being a 90 day crop, they dont need a lot of moisture, but their roots only go down about 600mm, so they wont access deeper subsoil moisture

yield wise, i only work on about 1 t / ha, any more is a bonus. 20 - 30 mm of rain at the right time can make all the difference in the world.

Harvesting them can be an issue - even if desicated they can still have a sticky sap, which combined with dust etc can really build up & block elevators etc in your header. You want to be REALLY careful about split beans also, as you will suffer heavily with grading losses.
Like vegetables, mung beans are sold on appearance & visual aspects ( the high value grades for canning or ideally - sprouting ), so any splits or discolouration or insect damage to the seeds is a big no no . . .

i will just add this excerpt from an email from my agro today, which may be of interest. Mungs are a popular crop in southern Qld / Darling Downs & with rain there, will put pressure on seed supplies. If you are interested, you need to secure your seed as quickly as you can

Mungbean
The intention is to double crop all the wheat country (380ha)with mung bean. Subject to availability Opal is a new
variety with a claimed 28% advantage over Jade and has Halo blight resistance but susceptible still to tan spot. I
would aim for about 30-35 plants / m under better moisture conditions eg semi irrigation etc. 40-45/m have given
higher yields.
Definitely consider a VAM product plus double inoculation on the seed. Need to discuss this further.Also zinc will
need to be considered. As discussed narrow rows give better yields if targeting above 1.5mt/ha however single skip
on 13” rows is unlikely to affect yields below 1.5mt/ha.I would still leave the plant population at 30-35plants/m2.On
the basis of say 15,000seeds /kg you would need to plant about 26 kg/ha ( allowing 90% germ,10% establishment
loss) hence approx 9.880 mt seed. Need to confirm seed size. Probably doubt if could get all Opal so make up
balance with Jade.I think I might have the seed issue sorted. Will advise further the seed situation.
 
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Farmer Roy

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NSW, Newstralya
Nope. Consensus might be soyabeans if I can find seed. Or maybe even sunflowers??

up here, i would definitely go sunflowers over soybeans. Sunflowers seem more consistent, better able to cope with heat & depending what variety you grow, can have a significant price premium over over oilseeds. The confectionary & bird seed markets can be very lucrative, if you can meet the specifications.
 
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Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
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NSW, Newstralya
How finicky Roy? Might have a spare pivot this summer....a cash crop would be handy when the wheat comes off.

err, i forgot to say

i would definitely go for it. If i had a pivot, its something i would do every year. The GMs for mungs can put a lot of other crops to shame, if you can get a reasonable crop

the other thing in their advantage is being so quick, they dont use a lot of moisture & even double cropped into a winter cereal in January, you still have time to plant a following winter crop after they are harvested. They do also tend to leave the soil lovely & soft & friable afterwards
 

Farmer Roy

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NSW, Newstralya
What are you sowing. Cotton, sorghum, or Sunnies. How does dryland corn go there?

will go grain sorghum & mungs double cropped into the wheat stubble hopefully, based on this weekend rain.
Would love to grow sunnies, but i would possibly be the only crop on the plain & I think the birds would just hammer me, as I am close to the tree line
Cotton would normally be my preferred choice, but im just a bit nervous . . .
I have given dryland corn a couple of goes here, but it just gets too hot at times without being able to irrigate. Corn does well here under irrigation, but as dryland crops, sorghum & cotton are much better suited to our environment & are far more reliable
 
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Farmer Roy

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Sharpy

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now, you have to bear with me, i come from deep, flat, vast alluvial floodplains & have also been zero till pretty much since 1994, but i have to ask the question . . .

why the fu`ck would they farm on that slope, let alone cultivate it :eek::eek::eek::eek:
They farm it because its what they have. Cultivated because they think they need to.
They might ask who in their right mind would farm an area that has a history of drought, and floods, on a stockless system?
 

holwellcourtfarm

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why the fu`ck would they farm on that slope, let alone cultivate it :eek::eek::eek::eek:
You should see some of the places forage maize is being grown here for AD units then. Environmental vandalism is a polite way to put it. All funded by unintended consequences of a badly written subsidy system for renewable energy.

They farm it because its what they have. Cultivated because they think they need to.
That thinking has to change.
 
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Kiwi Pete

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It’s a bit like there‘s never the wrong type of slope,just the wrong tractor..... @Kiwi Pete. :LOL:
That's about right, he did "have a bit of trouble sticking to some bits" in his tractor but a 12 tonne truck on a worked-up hill is something else. Front duals (pizza cutters) would be good.

A regular shaped paddock is much easier to complete, if you can't pick your angles then it limits trucking a bit

Straight up and down are good, they will climb like you wouldn't believe.. but not so good sidling if you can't keep the nose uphill, they would be better with split brakes, or even a good sand-anchor sometimes 🙈
 

holwellcourtfarm

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That's about right, he did "have a bit of trouble sticking to some bits" in his tractor but a 12 tonne truck on a worked-up hill is something else. Front duals (pizza cutters) would be good.

A regular shaped paddock is much easier to complete, if you can't pick your angles then it limits trucking a bit

Straight up and down are good, they will climb like you wouldn't believe.. but not so good sidling if you can't keep the nose uphill, they would be better with split brakes, or even a good sand-anchor sometimes 🙈
NZ, land of the extreme sports! :rolleyes:
 
I saw a flyblown lamb so got the mob in. There were all jetted for flies 6 weeks ago but only on the ass. Found 3 XB struck above the tail and one Merino struck on the shoulder, so the chemical must be working where I put it. Found a few grass seeds in eyes so put all the lambs, about 1000 through the race to get barley grass seeds out of eyes. The early break in autumn seems to really favour Barley grass as its really bad this year.
About 10% of the merinos had seeds in their eyes, but hardly any XB's

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Kiwi Pete

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Not your problem would be my thinking. Like when I was asked if I thought buying in hay was regenerative, sure is for my farm, I don't control the other guys farm and he's gonna sell that hay anyway.
That's how I justify doing it - the hardest part for my mind is collecting up beautiful big beef calves and taking them to slaughter at a week old (why I walked away from a dairy career, hated the waste and the it's-all-about-the-milksolids mindset) .
The second hardest is making soil go downhill, both literally and figuratively speaking.

But, not my circus and not my monkeys, to be honest I'm glad these rules and regs are coming into effect because something's gotta give sooner or later.
Given all the slips and landslides around the district, some of these hillsides really need their management tweaked.

It's bloody good to come home 😍
 

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