Australia Free Trade Deal?

JCfarmer · May 21, 2021

I wonder if we hadn't brexited in the 2nd World War and just lay on our back for Z germans how it would be now?
I am fed up with us towing the line more than pretty much any other country in Europe!
Europe aka the Titanic(in my eyes anyway) is a sinking ship, it might be cold but we got a life boat! Might sound harsh but France and Germany will jump in whats left and the others well we all know what happens to them .
Ps. Took quite a long time for the Titanic to sink.
PPs Just got back from the pub.

JCfarmer · May 21, 2021

cows sh#t me to tears said:
And those of you espousing same conditions.....does that apply to your herdsman, lads , whatever you want to call them , that seem to be a regular talking point on here about expecting them to work 80 /100hrs a week for £10 or less per hr......Cos I can tell you THAT wouldn't be tolerated by the fair work commission here.

Fewckin hell thats a £1000 a week!
Get the Abo's working instead of pissing your hard earned taxes up the wall?

kiwi pom · May 21, 2021

Jimdog1 said:
This could be a golden opportunity to set the bar high. Only let in what is of an equal high standard, scrap subsidies. Everyone's happy

You don't think any of these proposed trade deals will allow you to market your, world leading produce to other countries?
Surely there's huge demand for the best, no point selling local if you can make more exporting.

Jimdog1 · May 21, 2021

kiwi pom said:
You don't think any of these proposed trade deals will allow you to market your, world leading produce to other countries?
Surely there's huge demand for the best, no point selling local if you can make more exporting.

That's exactly what I want. Cake and eat it.

Jimdog1 · May 21, 2021

cows sh#t me to tears said:
And those of you espousing same conditions.....does that apply to your herdsman, lads , whatever you want to call them , that seem to be a regular talking point on here about expecting them to work 80 /100hrs a week for £10 or less per hr......Cos I can tell you THAT wouldn't be tolerated by the fair work commission here.

Working hours directive. Maximum 48 hour week for employed.

JCfarmer · May 21, 2021

kiwi pom said:
You don't think any of these proposed trade deals will allow you to market your, world leading produce to other countries?
Surely there's huge demand for the best, no point selling local if you can make more exporting.

Are you still allowed to leave bobby calves in cages at the end of the drive and dock cows tails?
I am not having ago either just asking the question?
I remember coming back from NZ in 1996 which I loved and watching the Anchor butter adverts at home thinking WTF!?

Hilly · May 21, 2021

Jimdog1 said:
Working hours directive. Maximum 48 hour week for employed.

Self employed , Min wage and as many hrs as they can stand

kiwi pom · May 21, 2021

JCfarmer said:
Fewckin hell thats a £1000 a week!
Get the Abo's working instead of pissing your hard earned taxes up the wall?

Minimum wage in NZ s $20 hour which is currently10 pound 15 pence.
You'll almost certainly need to provide accommodation too if you want staff on a dairy farm and almost all units do. The days of making a living on 1 or 2 hundred acres without employing anyone are long gone.
If anything the UK Ag has been protected for longer than other places.

Jimdog1 said:
Working hours directive. Maximum 48 hour week for employed.

Last I heard Ag employees can opt out, unlike some occupations, truck drivers for example.
Plus many get round it by using self employed, can't do that here, on the books, even if its only a temp contract.

Hilly · May 21, 2021

JCfarmer said:
Fewckin hell thats a £1000 a week!
Get the Abo's working instead of pissing your hard earned taxes up the wall?

You want to get out more man , plenty people earning 1k week or more.

cows sh#t me to tears · May 21, 2021

No one other than illegals work for minimum wage here. Wont get anyone under $30/ hr to work in ag these days. Then theres penalty rates like time and a half, double time for Sundays, public holidays. 17.5% leave loading (holiday pay above there normal rates. So 117% of their wage for the privilege of them not being at work). And a soon to be 12% superannuation rate which is paid above their before tax pay. And of course it's a 38hr week for normal hours...

Jimdog1 · May 21, 2021

Hilly said:
Self employed , Min wage and as many hrs as they can stand

Hmmmm. Can't be self employed for one employer for those sorts of hours.

Jimdog1 · May 21, 2021

cows sh#t me to tears said:
No one other than illegals work for minimum wage here. Wont get anyone under $30/ hr to work in ag these days. Then theres penalty rates like time and a half, double time for Sundays, public holidays. 17.5% leave loading (holiday pay above there normal rates. So 117% of their wage for the privilege of them not being at work). And a soon to be 12% superannuation rate which is paid above their before tax pay. And of course it's a 38hr week for normal hours...

Fantastic. You have fair labour laws. That's one box ticked.

cows sh#t me to tears · May 21, 2021

And 1 for you to add.

lloyd · May 21, 2021

cows sh#t me to tears said:
No one other than illegals work for minimum wage here. Wont get anyone under $30/ hr to work in ag these days. Then theres penalty rates like time and a half, double time for Sundays, public holidays. 17.5% leave loading (holiday pay above there normal rates. So 117% of their wage for the privilege of them not being at work). And a soon to be 12% superannuation rate which is paid above their before tax pay. And of course it's a 38hr week for normal hours...

$30 Australian dollars is a little over £16 an hour so
your not paying much more are you.

I dont know where all this cheap agri labour is around here ,
perhaps they've all gone to Aus if they don't know the
difference between a Aus dollar and a pound?

Lazy Sod · May 21, 2021

May I ask our ozy friends if they know how far on average, cattle have to travel from the farm to slaughter, either by road or rail and what are wefare conditions like? How often are they fed, watered and rested?

cows sh#t me to tears · May 21, 2021

Lazy Sod said:
May I ask our ozy friends if they know how far on average, cattle have to travel from the farm to slaughter, either by road or rail and what are wefare conditions like? How often are they fed, watered and rested?

No idea what "average" is sorry. Also dont know the "exact" welfare requirements as that doesnt matter to me day to day. All I know is must be fed and watered daily. Cannot be on a truck indefinitely from one side of the country to the other.

Kiwi Pete · May 21, 2021

cows sh#t me to tears said:
No idea what "average" is sorry.

Don't tell me you actually mind your own business

That's a fresh concept mate

kiwi pom · May 22, 2021

JCfarmer said:
Are you still allowed to leave bobby calves in cages at the end of the drive and dock cows tails?
I am not having ago either just asking the question?
I remember coming back from NZ in 1996 which I loved and watching the Anchor butter adverts at home thinking WTF!?

As opposed to leaving them in individual pens in damp sheds?

No for tail docking.
Bobby calves do get put in a raised pen just prior to transport, as there's no tailgate on a lot of the trucks, so they're walked across instead of lifted in, must have shelter etc.
I've been here since 2003 ish. there's been a lot of changes since I first got here. The rules and regulations train shows no sign of slowing down.

kiwi pom · May 22, 2021

Jimdog1 said:
Hmmmm. Can't be self employed for one employer for those sorts of hours.

No you cant. Happens all the time though.

On the books, contracts signed here. I've heard of businesses that run both here and Australia say they prefer here as labour costs are too high over there.
Lots of Kiwi's "cross the ditch" in search of the big money.

Kiwi Pete · May 22, 2021

kiwi pom said:
As opposed to leaving them in individual pens in damp sheds?

No for tail docking.
Bobby calves do get put in a raised pen just prior to transport, as there's no tailgate on a lot of the trucks, so they're walked across instead of lifted in, must have shelter etc.
I've been here since 2003 ish. there's been a lot of changes since I first got here. The rules and regulations train shows no sign of slowing down.

And it never will, I personally believe the only way to reduce the impact of regulation is to design away from the type of business that requires regulation - a minority view on TFF - as it's very much like weather in that we have little control over what is passed over to us. Just like @cows sh#t me to tears' water allocation or a whole host of other risks to 'business as we know it'

it's actually quite alarming to realise just how fragile status-quo agriculture is/has become

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