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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Have you been watching the "Autumn manure banned" thread? https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/autumn-manure-banned.342360/
The EA are way ahead of you....
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
- Thread starter Kiwi Pete
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The EA are way ahead of you....
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Catherine Glass and Diane Burgess.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
I haven't had rush problems but I am aware that 3LM have evidence that appropriate density and timing under holistic planned grazing can massively reduce rushes in pasture by disadvantaging them compared to the grass. Sheila can give more detail. Roger and Gilly at Sailean Farm have done this.
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Is it? There have been voices in the industry that have never been comfortable with the amount of sprays used in Agriculture since the 50s , I sorry but no farmer can stand up and say I didn't know it was harmful.
SilliamWhale
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Its like saying people have got fatter since the 50's therefore chips should be banned
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- Cei newydd
Wouldn't bother me, never spread any.
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- Quebec, Canada
You said:
Food production, and human wants, are going in very different directions, and l cannot see them meeting, any time soon, so l have no answer to the enigma.
I reply that it is not human wants but human rights to food, entrenched in law, that collide with the cost of food production. There is no law that says humans have a right to QUALITY food, just enough to keep them alive, I guess. Now that people have realised that there are other living things on the planet besides ourselves ( hello! is anyone home?) there is a big push to also entrench their rights. That’s where the big squeeze is going to happen in the future- and the poor buggers in the middle are the producers. I agree with Pete : I’ll feed you so long as you pay me decently to do so. If not bugger off and feed yourself.
Fine
We have FYM not slurry
Thats why I said it wouldn't bother me much, I didn't say I wanted to see it banned
Fenwick
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- Bretagne France
You must be farming wrong, you can't possibly farm without it
Don't you know we're never going to feed the world without it.
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- somerset
what people want, is quality food, at bargain price, and that is not sustainable. If you ask a person entering a s/mkt, what he/she wants, and check the trolley on exit, many just say one thing, and buy the cheapest, even worse, look at the crap some feed their kids with.
But that is their choice, and they have the right to choose, but if they want better food, they must be prepared to pay more, most don't. Until that changes, ag will have to supply food, at the cost, of what they will pay, and that means fert, sprays, gm and ge etc.
The richer part of the world, is very vocal about human, and animal rights, veggie and veganism, environment etc, they can do this, because they are not hungry, there is an adage that says, 'a hungry man has 1 problem, a full man has many', pretty well sums it up, as does, you get what you pay for.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
The cheap food, is very bad for health, so is costing society a fortune, so the bigger surprise is not that people buy rubbish to feed themselves and their children, rather the government allows this to happen
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- Cei newydd
Wouldn't say i am anti roundup either, i use it around the house and have weed wiped rushes in the past.
Your last paragraph sums it up for me.
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- somerset
we know that, as l expect of other people know, but it doesn't stop them buying it. As for the guv, as soon as they try (not very hard), they are accused of 'nanny state', and human rights. Then more importantly from the guv needs, they cant tax food, other than sweets etc, so cheap food = lower spend = more money to spend on taxable things, which in turn, funds health care, which in turn will shout they are underfunded, which will never change, because it would be impossible to achieve, bit like farming really, it soaks up every penny, and wants more !
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Right, a little later than advertised, I started my little grazing trial this morning. Eight cows with Feb/mar calves at foot plus two heifers in this little mob. Four cows and calves should have been here today but have been delayed a fortnight which is a whole other story! This first break is a funny shape as it wraps round three sides of an old horse arena, so I'm guessing a little on size. I estimate 4000kg dm/ha, should keep them until Monday if I take half. A little yellow litter in the bottom @Kiwi Pete. Apologies for the heavy Hereford presence in the pics @Blaithin!
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- Owaka, New Zealand
That's what happens when you wait for information to come from the top
whatever happened to individual responsibility, along the same lines as @SilliamWhale's post about banning crisps?
Sure, these caring gov'ts put out those "healthy food pyramid" things and now we have an obesity epidemic - but who puts their hand in their pocket? Puts the food in the mouth?
Who brings two-ton-Tony his 10 pizzas a week?
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should.... self regulating behaviour is empowering
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- somerset
perhaps we are more 'enlightened' than some, and actually think about what we eat. That said there are millions that don't care, and that's their choice, just as there are millions just thankful to get something, which definitely is not their choice.
We can never alter the ways of the world, we can alter the way we live, and very hopefully, improve the diet/life of a few. Apparently, 1 ton of spuds, makes 48,000 pkts of crisps, l don't think it was £48,000.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I care about what they eat about as much as they care what I eat.
As we maybe only spend a couple of grand a year on junkfood it's actually really difficult to get motivated to talk about the need for regulations and restrictions, better education etc because they won't work if they haven't worked.
Labels cannot keep us safe, if we assume anything labelled is safe to consume, in any quantity
Substitution of this for that is still ultimately quite futile while "redesign" is still possible.
That's why we took the path less travelled, eg putting landscape function improvement (and lifestyle improvement) several ladders above "feeding the world" no longer compromising our ability to quickly improve the land by practising extractive land uses.
Part of the enlightenment is possibly being amongst the worlds top few % in wealth terms, eg if you give a homeless person a few bob I doubt they will be reading labels, only pricetags
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I don't think government advice has been robust about food anyway, are they still recommending low fat? Probably still saying low salt too, where as they should be saying low sugar, less complex carbs, no high fructose corn syrup and really try to cut out ulta processed food
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
The present labelling system suits the food processing industry, as they can have low fat and low salt ultra processed food, that is terrible for health, high calorie, low nutrient, and say it's healthy because it it low in fat and salt - complete madness in my opinion.