"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Kiwi Pete

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Walwyn said:
Aim for field would be one more graze this summer then stockpile for winter. A little hollow coming off that bit but was a bit extreme. Usual residual of late pictured here and quite content when moving
Other thought is do we take opportunity to seed a bit of diversity into the bare patches View attachment 967602
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Worth a try with cheap seed; I think from.what we've tried here with that, our best results were to broadcast seed just before letting the animals in next time around, the post-graze seeding worked but not as well.
Walwyn said:
Is it possible to graze "too deep"? TightenedView attachment 967573 R2s up to deal with some stemmy stuff but looks a bit barren after them.
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Looks ideal if you're wanting to increase the time between grazings (improve how the land works, by giving it time) but it looks like they have eaten a bit of the litter. Hard to judge from here but pretty good (y)
We had to shift a couple of hours sooner as we had 48mm of rain fall yesterday,, so they were still quite full
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With drystock, you can make them work a little
 
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Blaithin said:
Yeah, nobody’s really sure what their criteria is :ROFLMAO:

Have to dig around and see what can be found out for their definition.
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last bank holiday, one fish and chip shop, at the seaside, was interviewed on the sunday morning, they had used 3 tons of spuds, so far, l really don't think organic, holistic, regen, or any other, would have made any difference whatsoever.
 
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Kiwi Pete said:
It will help speed the return of the tubby ones, back to the Earth from whence they came.

A bit like this lab grown tumour "meat", I don't care what they put in it because I won't be having any
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aah, but would you actually know ? There is total certainty that 'ingredient list' may be factually correct, but baffling in the extreme ! We would be pretty keen, to actually try and make sure no crap is digested. But for 90% wouldn't have a clue, poor buggers - or those who would actually care about what they eat. I was once told, that it was impossible to buy cornflour, without it containing GM maize, that may have changed, but somehow, l doubt it, it's a massive bulk commodity, which is used in huge quantities, throughout the food industry, produced in a country, the USA, that doesn't have the view of GM as we do.
Half the world is just thankful to have some food, the other half don't particularly care about it, as long as it's cheap, which to food manufacturers, is an open book, to do whatever they want, then you have the nutty professors finding the cheapest possible way, to produce it, with the longest use by date, the right colour, to be attractive, and, of course, with the cheapest, addictive additives !
 
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som farmer said:
aah, but would you actually know ? There is total certainty that 'ingredient list' may be factually correct, but baffling in the extreme ! We would be pretty keen, to actually try and make sure no crap is digested. But for 90% wouldn't have a clue, poor buggers - or those who would actually care about what they eat. I was once told, that it was impossible to buy cornflour, without it containing GM maize, that may have changed, but somehow, l doubt it, it's a massive bulk commodity, which is used in huge quantities, throughout the food industry, produced in a country, the USA, that doesn't have the view of GM as we do.
Half the world is just thankful to have some food, the other half don't particularly care about it, as long as it's cheap, which to food manufacturers, is an open book, to do whatever they want, then you have the nutty professors finding the cheapest possible way, to produce it, with the longest use by date, the right colour, to be attractive, and, of course, with the cheapest, addictive additives !
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I listened with horror to a BBC radio documentary a year or so ago. Apparently there is an annual food technology show in Germany where all the food additive manufacturers and developers show their wares and the presenter managed to get a ticket. It's a closed door event, with strictly controlled publicity, for which you have to work in the right role in the food industry to be allowed a ticket.

He described a complete horror show of chemical purveyors all demonstrating how their highly processed lab-produced products could cheaply change the taste, colour, texture or shelf life of cheap raw ingredients to replace (relatively) expensive healthy natural ones in every imaginable type of food.

It's the processed food industry's shopping fair.

Lots of talk about how their products could be used but hidden on the food label.
 
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holwellcourtfarm said:
I listened with horror to a BBC radio documentary a year or so ago. Apparently there is an annual food technology show in Germany where all the food additive manufacturers and developers show their wares and the presenter managed to get a ticket. It's a closed door event, with strictly controlled publicity, for which you have to work in the right role in the food industry to be allowed a ticket.

He destined a complete horror show of chemical purveyors all demonstrating how their highly processed lab-produced products could cheaply change the taste, colour, texture or shelf life of cheap raw ingredients to replace (relatively) expensive healthy natural ones in every imaginable type of food.

It's the processed food industry's shopping fair.

Lots of talk about how their products could be used but hidden on the food label.
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OH's cousin was shown round a margarine factory, huge vats of a vile grey substance, and was then told, the biggest problem, was how to present this grey sewage, to the public, in an attractive way, as no-one would touch it 'raw', yellow dye, was used in the vast quantities, to turn this grey sludge, yellow, and yellow dye was expensive ! The really stupid part, that grey sludge was pretty well unadulterated, and nutritionally 'reasonable', the chemicals to make it attractive, couldn't actually claim that. Perhaps ignorance, in this case, is actually bliss.
 
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som farmer said:
OH's cousin was shown round a margarine factory, huge vats of a vile grey substance, and was then told, the biggest problem, was how to present this grey sewage, to the public, in an attractive way, as no-one would touch it 'raw', yellow dye, was used in the vast quantities, to turn this grey sludge, yellow, and yellow dye was expensive ! The really stupid part, that grey sludge was pretty well unadulterated, and nutritionally 'reasonable', the chemicals to make it attractive, couldn't actually claim that. Perhaps ignorance, in this case, is actually bliss.
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And, 25 years ago, I was pushed to ditch butter for that crap by my doctors to cut my cholesterol level. I strongly suspect that has been part of the cause of my heart attack. They SHOULD have told me to stop all the sugar and ultra-processed foods. I strongly doubt it would have happened then.

I genuinely believe that our modern processed food industry will, one day, be looked back on like we now look at the asbestos and tobacco industries.
 
Kiwi Pete

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Jonny B88 said:
Possibly but the plan is currently once a day moves as opposed to twice. I was posting up the effect after 12 hours as much as anything for my own reference.
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You have to try all this stuff.. often what looks "bad" is often not really so bad in the longer term, even if it looks like a flop upfront

eg this bit
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is the bit we absolutely 'stuffed' about August last year, eg it was mostly mud with 5 inch deep hoofprints, I have grazed this in the rain ⅘ times since then and it is really starting to grow something again. It was practically a mossy bank with some thistles and some thistles and a bit of browntop

looked a mess though, it stayed black for a long time as it's so shady there
 
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Kiwi Pete said:
Worth a try with cheap seed; I think from.what we've tried here with that, our best results were to broadcast seed just before letting the animals in next time around, the post-graze seeding worked but not as well.

Looks ideal if you're wanting to increase the time between grazings (improve how the land works, by giving it time) but it looks like they have eaten a bit of the litter. Hard to judge from here but pretty good (y)
We had to shift a couple of hours sooner as we had 48mm of rain fall yesterday,, so they were still quite full View attachment 967656 View attachment 967657
With drystock, you can make them work a little
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I suppose my too deep question came from the fact there is bare soil. Perhaps I hadn't built enough litter/ rested long enough but was a fair amount of seed head in there.
 
Henarar

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holwellcourtfarm said:
I listened with horror to a BBC radio documentary a year or so ago. Apparently there is an annual food technology show in Germany where all the food additive manufacturers and developers show their wares and the presenter managed to get a ticket. It's a closed door event, with strictly controlled publicity, for which you have to work in the right role in the food industry to be allowed a ticket.

He described a complete horror show of chemical purveyors all demonstrating how their highly processed lab-produced products could cheaply change the taste, colour, texture or shelf life of cheap raw ingredients to replace (relatively) expensive healthy natural ones in every imaginable type of food.

It's the processed food industry's shopping fair.

Lots of talk about how their products could be used but hidden on the food label.
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this needs some under cover reporter to get it on the telly, show folk what utter sh1t is in this crap.
barstewards are quick enough to go on about farming
 
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Henarar said:
this needs some under cover reporter to get it on the telly, show folk what utter sh1t is in this crap.
barstewards are quick enough to go on about farming
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He made it quite clear they are very careful who they let in. He had to get a ticket under cover of a supposed job in the industry with the help of an insider and couldn't let on that he was a journalist or he'd be thrown out and the company who helped him get in would never be allowed in again.

Our, maybe, he was just dramatising it but it seemed legit.
 
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holwellcourtfarm said:
He made it quite clear they are very careful who they let in. He had to get a ticket under cover of a supposed job in the industry with the help of an insider and couldn't let on that he was a journalist or he'd be thrown out and the company who helped him get in would never be allowed in again.

Our, maybe, he was just dramatising it but it seemed legit.
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Sounds about right, terrible really that they would be so secretive and underhand about stuff people eat
 

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