violent dog walker

I would be interested to know what the law is (in all parts of the UK) when an aggressor attacks you or threatens you and your dog defends you.

I do believe if your dog worries trespassing stock on your own land of it's own volition, there is no blame to the owner because the dog is only doing what is natural to it. If, on the other hand, the owner sets his dog on trespassing stock and it worries the animals, he is guilty of an offence. Which leads me to believe, owning a protection dog may be perfectly legitimate provided it or the owner does not initiate the attack and it is normally under control.

You are pretty much correct, guard dogs and protection dogs are legal, but you have to maintain control of the dog - either with an owner/handler, or some form of restraint (chain, cage, inside a building) in the owner/handler's absence, have warning signage of the dogs presence - and be careful of what commands you have trained the dog to respond to, to avoid liability. Appropriate insurance is also advised. A few brief informative articles, which may be of interest:

Link: Dangerous Dog Offences | The Crown Prosecution Service (cps.gov.uk)

Guard Dogs
It is a summary offence for a person to use, or permit the use of, a guard dog to protect any premises unless a handler capable of controlling the dog is also present and the dog is under his control, or unless the dog is secured so that it is not at liberty to go freely about the premises. A guard dog may not be used or permitted to be used unless a notice warning of the dogā€™s presence is clearly exhibited at each entrance to the premises, (sections 1 and 5 of the Guard Dogs Act 1975).

Attacks on animals / livestock
An offence is committed by the owner or person in charge of a dog if it worries livestock on any agricultural land, (section 1 Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953).

An offence is not committed if at the time of worrying, the livestock were trespassing, and the dog belonged to the owner, or was in the charge of the occupier or a person authorised by the owner, of the land on which the livestock were trespassing, and the person in charge of the dog did not cause the dog to attack the livestock.

A dog owner shall not be convicted of an offence under section 1 of the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act if he / she proves that someone they reasonably believed to be fit and proper was in charge of the dog when it worried the livestock.

Section 2 of the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 provides that it is necessary to have the consent of the Chief Officer of police for the police area in which the land is situated, or the occupier of the land, or the owner of any of the livestock in question. The consent is a pre-requisite to any prosecution.

Section 3 of the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 defines ā€˜livestockā€™ as being cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses or poultry. The definition does not include ā€˜exoticā€™ farm animals such as alpacas, buffalo, ostrich etc which are increasingly being kept by farmers and others. If any of these are attacked by a dog, there is no offence under this Act. There may, however, be recourse under the Dogs Act 1871 or under the 1991 Act.

The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953 applies only to ā€˜agricultural landā€™ (as defined at section 3). The Act does not apply to private gardens, parks etc.


There is no power in the 1953 Act for any penalty other than a financial one (section 1(6) refers). There is no power to make a control or destruction order. Prosecutors should note, however, that civil proceedings under the 1871 Act can be brought in tandem with the criminal proceedings to apply for a control order on conviction.

Guard Dogs Act 1975

Link: Guard Dogs Act 1975 (legislation.gov.uk)

Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014

Link: Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 (legislation.gov.uk)

And,

The law on keeping guard dogs

Link: Keeping a Guard Dog: What the Law Says - InBrief.co.uk

Guard Dogs

Link: Guard Dogs Legislation Covers How Dogs Guard People & Property (allaboutuklaw.co.uk)

Here is what the law says on dogs biting home intruders in an emergency situation

News Link: Here is what the law says on dogs biting home intruders in an emergency situation - Somerset Live
 
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Netherfield

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Location
West Yorkshire
Brought down by a poodle ? What is the world coming to.



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Not a toy poodle, but one these one would hope.


One house where I delivered to had a dog that if you weren't careful would get your fingers as you shoved it throught the letterbox, after a complaint the guy just said he's only being playful, next time I shoved it half way through and hung on the other side, shredded the paper to confetti, he then put a guard over the letterbox to stop that happening again.
 

pgk

Member
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Not a toy poodle, but one these one would hope.


One house where I delivered to had a dog that if you weren't careful would get your fingers as you shoved it throught the letterbox, after a complaint the guy just said he's only being playful, next time I shoved it half way through and hung on the other side, shredded the paper to confetti, he then put a guard over the letterbox to stop that happening again.
Wish it was, in my defence the little apricot blighter had teeth like needles.
 

DeeGee

Member
Location
North East Wales
Whatever the size, poodles are nutters and vicious. Rather encounter a German shepherd than a poodle.

Well excuse me! But I would rather meet a Toy Poodle any day than a German shepherd!

I have found that German shepherds can be short tempered and very impatient, and to be honest, often rather rude if they ask you to hand them the dosing gun and one mistakenly passes them a marking stick; and just because one is not fully conversant with the idiosyncrasies of the Bavarian dialect.
 
Put a notice on the gate "This field has been sprayed, please stay on the path. The spray can severely affect animals".

The spray? Rain. Dogs can drown.
sprayed with DHMO


Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.Dihydrogen monoxide:

  • is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
  • contributes to the ā€œgreenhouse effect.ā€
  • may cause severe burns.
  • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
  • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
  • may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
  • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

  • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
  • in nuclear power plants.
  • in the production of styrofoam.
  • as a fire retardant.
  • in many forms of cruel animal research.
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Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its ā€œimportance to the economic health of this nation.ā€ In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
That might just cross the fine line between a bit of mischievous score settling, and criminal damageā€¦

We used to use a willow twig, long enough to remove tyre dust caps (sellotape to front window), put twig in alloy spokes and into valve, then walk away as it let tyres down. Nil damage.
 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator
I really canā€™t believe most of the posts on this, itā€™s absolutely ridiculous to even contemplate violence, taking it out on his dogs or damaging his vehicle.
Number one rule when confronting people on your property is that as soon as they threaten you with violence or retribution you know you are safe. Iā€™ll guarantee that the violent nut job thatā€™s going to beat seven shades out of you is never ever going to have a discussion with you about it first. When they threaten you you must remain calm, tell them youā€™re not intimidated by them and theyā€™ll shortly disappear, probably never to be seen again.
 

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