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Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
why are we wasting transport infrastructure carrying water round the country in lorries anyway, when there is already a system in place (water pipes), surely we shouldn't be using fossil fuels to make plastic bottles, then carry them full of water to people who have access to a tap!

Can say the same about beer, wine and all other liquids. Fact is, there’s water and there’s water and some taste nicer than others.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Can say the same about beer, wine and all other liquids. Fact is, there’s water and there’s water and some taste nicer than others.
I agree, but we have a problem, where we are using up resources at a greater rate than the world can replenish them, I remember reading something like, if the whole world used the same amount of resources as the west, we would need 3 or 4 planets! So bearing that in mind, maybe we should start to look a little more critically at how essential some of our choices are.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
If you are blotting Daisy in the corner of a field so she doesn’t know what is coming that’s fine but if it’s a thousand squealing pigs who have an idea of what’s going on it is not a job for someone who likes animals.
I posted on another thread, I remember reviewing an apprentice who was a machine operator (putting liners over a council tip to seal it), it was a cold winter day, and he said he used to work in an abattoir in North Wales (Ynys Mon I think) and he said on a day like today, better to work there, as you have warm hands!
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
I agree, but we have a problem, where we are using up resources at a greater rate than the world can replenish them, I remember reading something like, if the whole world used the same amount of resources as the west, we would need 3 or 4 planets! So bearing that in mind, maybe we should start to look a little more critically at how essential some of our choices are.
I carry a couple of small bottles of water in the car for emergencies and I keep a couple of big bottles down the farm for tea/coffee purposes because tap water doesn't keep so well. Beyond that, everything comes out of a tap or from the sky. Visit our local Tesco who are struggling to get stock of bottled water - particularly fizzy crap & the reaction of some folk - you'd think that armageddon had come! I feel like printing some posters up of the water supplies in the developing world...
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
You’re lucky. The last few trips to my closest Coop have seen:
No bottled water (last week)
No bread (week before)
No crisps (before that)
No chocolate bars (before)

Spoke to Tesco petrol forecourt chap, they had nothing edible in the shelves apart from some chocolate bars - hadn’t had a delivery in 8 weeks and were carrying stock from the store themselves rather than waiting for the supplies.
Similar at the Co-ops around here but I think it is a Co-op problem more than anything because all the other shops are ok.

I don't like buying bottled water but the water out of the tap tastes awful, way too much chlorine for me. Have even been known to call in at my old place and fill my canteen with drinkable water.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Similar at the Co-ops around here but I think it is a Co-op problem more than anything because all the other shops are ok.

I don't like buying bottled water but the water out of the tap tastes awful, way too much chlorine for me. Have even been known to call in at my old place and fill my canteen with drinkable water.
Co op agency HGV on £20+ ltd


I'll drink tap water from any tap in the UK.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I agree, but we have a problem, where we are using up resources at a greater rate than the world can replenish them, I remember reading something like, if the whole world used the same amount of resources as the west, we would need 3 or 4 planets! So bearing that in mind, maybe we should start to look a little more critically at how essential some of our choices are.

Good plan, let's tackle the most effective changes first - ban all alcoholic beverages first and then see how we are doing. My occasional half litre of sparkling water is far less damaging than the energy intensive stuff with ethanol and other flavourings in it.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
I saw a great programme on bbc alba on Friday, called the most dangerous journey toschool if you want to see poverty, that was it
Two wee girls had a 3 hour treck over snake infested hills and jungle
Two boys had to cross a 650 ft deep gorge on a zip wire with just old bits of string and cloth holding him
Very humbling to watch
They were using zero resources
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
I saw a great programme on bbc alba on Friday, called the most dangerous journey toschool if you want to see poverty, that was it
Two wee girls had a 3 hour treck over snake infested hills and jungle
Two boys had to cross a 650 ft deep gorge on a zip wire with just old bits of string and cloth holding him
Very humbling to watch
They were using zero resources
Dalkeith?
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
23/6/2016 - Not what it said on the ballot but what so many interpreted it as saying after all the Farage priming…
No it wasn't what it said on the ballot your quite right, who anyone chose to listen to was up to them as always.
Some on here seem to think they know what was in the mind of those that voted, I think they know feck all of the sort and are just bitter
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Good plan, let's tackle the most effective changes first - ban all alcoholic beverages first and then see how we are doing. My occasional half litre of sparkling water is far less damaging than the energy intensive stuff with ethanol and other flavourings in it.
there is a good argument for alcohol, it is a pleasure to drink it. I would counter that there is not much difference between tap and bottled water, pop on the other hand has no redeeming features (well I suppose it does, taste plus, effect on health of the population great big minus).
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
there is a good argument for alcohol, it is a pleasure to drink it. I would counter that there is not much difference between tap and bottled water, pop on the other hand has no redeeming features (well I suppose it does, taste plus, effect on health of the population great big minus).

I couldn't agree less, I'm afraid. Tap and bottled water are poles apart, and I will actively seek out some brands over others for the taste. On the other hand, I wouldn't walk to the other end of the fridge for a beer.

Just goes to show how we are all different.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I couldn't agree less, I'm afraid. Tap and bottled water are poles apart, and I will actively seek out some brands over others for the taste. On the other hand, I wouldn't walk to the other end of the fridge for a beer.

Just goes to show how we are all different.
Now good cider is worth scrabbling around in the sting nettles to get the apples, will agree with you about the beer it makes me sick
 

H200GT

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Location
NORTH WALES
But they are government statistics, and we all know how easily they can be fudged to meet what the agenda is at the time. Contract covid, recover and get run over by a bus within 28 days = covid death 🤷‍♂️.

The 5% will not include the many millions that choose to work part time and top their income on universal credit, people on zero hour contracts earning very little or the millions of students. A better measure would be the amount of people supplementing their income with government grants, as thats is the clear indication of how many people are unable (or dare i say in some cases choose not to) support themselves.
A quick google finds the statistic below, which technically puts the UK unemployment rate at circa 57%, far cry from the official 5% that’s touted. Going by the ONS, only around 43% of the entire UK population is employed.

The 57% will of course include children, retired people, those that have disability’s and anyone else that’s not currently employed for whatever reason. Now of course I don’t advocate sending the children, the elderly or the disabled to work, that’s just silly, but at the current time, the fact remains that only 47% of the population is in paid employment, and in turn the remaing 57% are unemployed.

My point is, the 5% figure that’s touted, is like many statutory figures, is totally irrelevant unless you understand how its calculated.

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Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Similar at the Co-ops around here but I think it is a Co-op problem more than anything because all the other shops are ok.

I don't like buying bottled water but the water out of the tap tastes awful, way too much chlorine for me. Have even been known to call in at my old place and fill my canteen with drinkable water.
If you leave it in an open jug in the fridge, the chlorine will vap off.
 

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