100,000 pigs to be destroyed

Daniel · Oct 7, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Cancel your feed order with them.

If everyone does that they will have to re-think!

I don’t buy anything off them.
But in any case it isn’t an option, if you storm off in a huff, the spot price from other feed mills will be more than £5/t higher than the run of feed you booked a few weeks ago with Forfarmers.

JP1 · Oct 7, 2021

spin cycle said:
you can find government data but it doesn't go back far enough to create a picture of pre/post brexit particularly given 2020 was messed up with leaving the eu and brexit

given that the ahdb data is the only option

I have a man very much in the know on it .

midlandslad · Oct 7, 2021

Pig Prices - Pig World

www.pig-world.co.uk

gone up the hill · Oct 7, 2021

Daniel said:
I don’t buy anything off them.
But in any case it isn’t an option, if you storm off in a huff, the spot price from other feed mills will be more than £5/t higher than the run of feed you booked a few weeks ago with Forfarmers.

Buyers need to put pressure on them, tell them to drop the £5 charge or else long term you will either move elsewhere or look at other options!

JP1 · Oct 7, 2021

Mouser · Oct 7, 2021

Suffolk Serf said:
Come here and say that!!!

Sorry if you're one of said farmers, I do have sympathy for you all. My point is that on a national scale there doesn't seem to be a major problem as pork is still getting processed in usual numbers so where has problem come from? Over supply? Cheap imports? One plant short staffed?

JP1 · Oct 7, 2021

Initial comments :

For arguments sake a break down late in one week could show a slightly slow week. Then a very slow one next week. Then a massive one the following week as they run to catch up.

Some graphs and explanation to follow tomorrow some time during working time

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

midlandslad said:
Pig Prices - Pig World

www.pig-world.co.uk

quite difficult to read and doesn't span long enough.....however .click onto 'clean kill'...and look at that 6 month graph.....see how slaughterings plummet enda may/first week of june .....then recover a little before sliding mid july thru august....NOW that could be the beginnings of the co2 shortage particularly given the sharp increase in the last 3 weeks

gone up the hill · Oct 7, 2021

spin cycle said:
quite difficult to read and doesn't span long enough.....however .click onto 'clean kill'...and look at that 6 month graph.....see how slaughterings plummet enda may/first week of june .....then recover a little before sliding mid july thru august....NOW that could be the beginnings of the co2 shortage particularly given the sharp increase in the last 3 weeks

I am very surprised you put so much faith in the AHDB figures tbh!

Year after year in the beef and sheep sectors the AHDB figures have been so far off the mark they are not worth the paper they are written on!

Easedoff · Oct 7, 2021

primmiemoo said:
[Bernard Woolley font: on]...

Erm, with greatest of respect, Minister, I somehow think that pork would be the least likely meat to make it into a kosher sausage.... [Bernard Woolley font: /off]

Ahhhh.
You spotted my little tease primmy.

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

gone up the hill said:
I am very surprised you put so much faith in the AHDB figures tbh!

Year after year in the beef and sheep sectors the AHDB figures have been so far off the mark they are not worth the paper they are written on!

well you're a bundle of fecking help

as i said they're the only figures that go back far enough to get a yr/yr picture

tell you what find me some better data that goes back 15 yrs giving weekly kill numbers

Easedoff · Oct 7, 2021

Wasn't too long ago the country was awash with milk that was being dumped and cows sent to the plant...let alone bull calves being shot at birth or fetching less than the cost of the tags at mart.

More to life · Oct 7, 2021

JP1 said:
Initial comments :

For arguments sake a break down late in one week could show a slightly slow week. Then a very slow one next week. Then a massive one the following week as they run to catch up.

Some graphs and explanation to follow tomorrow some time during working time

Already said this but how does live export pre brexit fit into these numbers

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

JP1 said:
View attachment 989974

22/5/21 and 29/2/21 correspond to weeks 21 and 22 and the figures match ahdb.....find the figures for 20/2/21 and 3/4/21......slaughter figures soared above 2019 levels

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

More to life said:
Already said this but how does live export pre brexit fit into these numbers

there's no live export of anything now is there?...bar breeding stock perhaps

More to life · Oct 7, 2021

spin cycle said:
there's no live export of anything now is there?...bar breeding stock perhaps

as far as I know,so total pig slaughter numbers could be well down in total. Uk number remain the same the blame then lies with the government not staff numbers.

unlacedgecko · Oct 7, 2021

More to life said:
as far as I know,so total pig slaughter numbers could be well down in total. Uk number remain the same the blame then lies with the government not staff numbers.

Was there much live export of pigs from UK?

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

More to life said:
as far as I know,so total pig slaughter numbers could be well down in total. Uk number remain the same the blame then lies with the government not staff numbers.

no kill numbers for this year are going to be up........but slaughterings fell back to 2019 levels from 18th july to 20th september which i think caused the problem

spin cycle · Oct 7, 2021

spin cycle said:
make your own mind up....i've just trailed thru 800 weeks of ahbd data.....i'm about to do it again to check

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wk ending

12/12/15.... 207,119
20/12/14.....203,166
13/12/20.....201,575
20/2/21.......201,110.....this year
19/12/20.....199,903
27/3/21.......198,897.....this year
12/12/20....197,103
5/12/15......196,444
19/12/20....195,455
2/10/21.......194,686.....this year

top ten highest slaughter number weeks.....in the last 800

strip out the december figures (pre christmas) and this years 3 entries are the top 3 highest non december kill since 2005

tepapa · Oct 7, 2021

spin cycle said:
no kill numbers for this year are going to be up........but slaughterings fell back to 2019 levels from 18th july to 20th september which i think caused the problem

So is it a drop in kill numbers over this period coupled with a higher than normal pig numbers?

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