Load it yourself!

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
One thing I've noticed recently.....folks emailing invoices / quotes etc for me to print off....
Am I everyone's unpaid secretary ? :unsure:

On the other hand, I received an invoice in the post from a builder's merchant last month, and a statement in the post separately. The only thing I'd bought is a couple of coach screws when I was passing, for the grand total of 66p!
They have spent more in postage & paper than they will see back, and those little costs will have to be covered from prices generally.

Happy to have invoices emailed here, then at least I've a copy somewhere safe(ish).
 

Gedd

Member
Livestock Farmer
I would always load myself. The old Manipoo has certain quirks....

We get very little notice of grain collections here though. Ranging from at worst a wagon arrives unannounced, to an hours notice. Not really good enough on a mixed farm to clean and dry the bucket, let alone get the barsteward forklift started. I always raise an eyebrow when folks on here tell us small arable farms are part time jobs......I tend to file these comments in the ignorant twait section.
Bucket to be cleaned and disinfected with food grade disinfectant at least 6 weeks prior to handling grain if being used for manure etc is what i was told along with trailers and tempory stores eg cattle sheds
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
It's fine to be blasé about these things but on who does the buck fall
Do you ask for proof of driver certificates
Some of farms I’ve been loaded at, I think I ought to ask if the farmer/worker has a ticket/experience
At least a driver hits side of his trailer it’s his fault
If a farmer hits the trailer it’s not his fault
No wonder there’s a shortage of drivers most people treat them as idiots
Ps some probably are idiots!!
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
One thing I've noticed recently.....folks emailing invoices / quotes etc for me to print off....
Am I everyone's unpaid secretary ? :unsure:

As others have written.
Don't print, save to your cloud based accounts package. If you don't have one of those, use dropbox for free.

One less trip for the postman's van, one less stamp for you to pay for, one less sheet of paper to make, one less batch of ink to waste, one less printer to buy, one less filing cabinet to use - every little helps.. Helping save the planet one invoice at a time.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
They better get the "Grain Bucket only according to the rules" cheque book out when buying Wheat then ...
Some folks seem to be getting a bit excited.....
I don't keep any livestock. My grain bucket does get used for concreting, moving soil/ chippings etc. Always gets washed after. Legal , or not ??
I do have another toe-tip bucket for my old (er) Sanderson. It's just easier to wash the Manitou bucket ( assuming I have ample warning ) than struggle with a manual headstock attachment and pipes.

I do hope that clears it up for the ever growing list of pendants on here.
 

Flat 10

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Some folks seem to be getting a bit excited.....
I don't keep any livestock. My grain bucket does get used for concreting, moving soil/ chippings etc. Always gets washed after. Legal , or not ??
I do have another toe-tip bucket for my old (er) Sanderson. It's just easier to wash the Manitou bucket ( assuming I have ample warning ) than struggle with a manual headstock attachment and pipes.

I do hope that clears it up for the ever growing list of pendants on here.
Why don’t you sell to merchants who use hauliers who give you notice though? No notice no load here it’s quite easy and 90% of the hauliers we deal are great anyway. Also I find the OPs post most unlikely. A lot of lorry drivers won’t use brooms here due to H+S so are they really likely to load a lorry unpaid? I call rubbish, I don’t think lorry drivers are often told to load themselves. (camgrain started some of this as they claimed for a while all their drivers could load themselves. Turned out to be rubbish so got dropped, a bit like their 24hr of harvest (now monthly if you are lucky) collections)
 

Hilly

Member
More and more I hear from lorry drivers that they are asked to load their own lorries using the farmers equipment as often there is nobody around. Some are rightly not very happy about it. I wouldn’t have thought this was acceptable in terms of putting the driver’s true working hours over the limit.
We always load lorries ourselves and would consider it very bad form to ask the driver to do it.
What happens elsewhere? Are things really so tight that farms can’t find their own staff to drive loaders nowadays?
I asked one to unload using my forklift , left it with pallet tines on , all he had to do was drive forward lift it reverse back lower , no not allowed ffs had to drive a tractor twenty miles home to do it myself folk are pathetic
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Why don’t you sell to merchants who use hauliers who give you notice though? No notice no load here it’s quite easy and 90% of the hauliers we deal are great anyway. Also I find the OPs post most unlikely. A lot of lorry drivers won’t use brooms here due to H+S so are they really likely to load a lorry unpaid? I call rubbish, I don’t think lorry drivers are often told to load themselves. (camgrain started some of this as they claimed for a while all their drivers could load themselves. Turned out to be rubbish so got dropped, a bit like their 24hr of harvest (now monthly if you are lucky) collections)
Requirement to self load is quite common in beet haulage here. There’s the heap in the middle of a wet field, a knackered cleaner loader and telehandler. Get on with it. Some lads doing 14 hours a day because of time spent loading. It’s unacceptable in my view and doesn’t end well in terms of safety and folks general well being. Part of the race to the bottom for folks only too willing to ingratiate themselves with corporations paying peanuts. It’s not rubbish. It’s happening and it’s wrong in my view. Leaning on the goodwill of hardworking lads. Putting on them.
 

GOODYSMATE

Member
Location
suffolk
I always load them myself ,some drivers sit in the cab others will get out to stretch there legs by picking up the broom allow i one occasion a driver i now well rung me at 5pm and said as he had been redirected with his previous load and was only 10 minutes away could he get the load on that evening as he was going to phone me later on about getting it the next day i said he could but i would be 1hr getting home from where i was working he said no problem if the loader is there (jcb530-70)he could load himself as he has the same machine back on his own farm so i said yes crack on ,it saved him 2hrs by loading one of his next days loads ,i have since loaded him twice more he is a owner driver with his lorry which he looks after so i trust him to use my loader if the situation crops up again
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I always load them myself ,some drivers sit in the cab others will get out to stretch there legs by picking up the broom allow i one occasion a driver i now well rung me at 5pm and said as he had been redirected with his previous load and was only 10 minutes away could he get the load on that evening as he was going to phone me later on about getting it the next day i said he could but i would be 1hr getting home from where i was working he said no problem if the loader is there (jcb530-70)he could load himself as he has the same machine back on his own farm so i said yes crack on ,it saved him 2hrs by loading one of his next days loads ,i have since loaded him twice more he is a owner driver with his lorry which he looks after so i trust him to use my loader if the situation crops up again
Fine if it’s a voluntary arrangement. But in my view there is commercial coercion going on. Load it yourself or we won’t be using you next year. To me it’s bound fo end in drivers working more hours than they should in a day.
All I’m saying is have a thought. Drivers have to work to limited daily hours. They need their breaks. Don’t take advantage. Nuff said.
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
We have a preferred haulier for most grain, who will load himself if necessary (small family business)
Most hauliers will offer to sweep up - most of the time I'd rather they stayed out of the way and avoid the possibility of them getting them run over.
I load them on the weighbridge, all I need to know is when 44t appears on the screen (which they can see from their cab)

I had one needing a load on sharpish a few weeks back, he was tight for time and the mill deadline was looming.

He pulled onto the bridge, sheet off, weighed in, loaded, sheeted, weighed out - 14minutes. Driver had another minute to wait for his 15minite break to pass. He only left the cab to exchange paperwork and sheet up.

On wit job!
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
On big building sites or warehouses even if you've got forklift training you still need to go through the health and safety induction before using the machines. This is so in the event of an accident the employer/site owner can prove to HSE the worker was adequately trained for the equipment, task and that the site was safe. Farmers are responsible for the safety of workers on farm even if they're not employees. I'm not saying this is always fair, practical or sensible but it is the law should the worst happen.
 

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