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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
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Montgomeryshire
Used to be - Caused a bit of bother around here with the anticipated jail sentencesā€¦..šŸ„“

It could come again yet. I was watching a webinar on carbon auditing & sequestration the other night. Whilst trying not to nod off, there were a few interesting snippetsā€¦

When they were looking at increasing the carbon sequestration of soils, their starting point was making sure the pH was up near 6.5 as that was seen as one of the most fundamental factors.

I smiled thinking of @Cab-over Pete jumping up and down in excitement when DEFRA mandate everyone applying lime. The poor fella wonā€™t be able to keep up.šŸ˜‚
 
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Steevo

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Gloucestershire
@Janet Hughes Defra ...... Anything available for the maintenance of farm lanes ....
Asking for a friend šŸ˜Š......well all my friends really they are all complaining about it .

Apparently some people have been getting 100% funded concrete........ :LOL:

Been thinking about this again.......if we all laid some concrete as an air-entrained mix like PAV2 and CO2 or methane was used for the entrainment (is that a word?!)......we could all be doing "carbon capture and storage".

If that isn't worthy of government eco-funding I don't know what is.....! šŸ˜‚
 
It could come again yet. I was watching a webinar on carbon auditing & sequestration the other night. Whilst trying not to nod off, there were a few interesting snippetsā€¦

When they were looking at increasing the carbon sequestration of soils, their starting point was making sure the pH was up near 6.5 as that was seen as one of the most fundamental factors.

I smiled thinking of @Cab-over Pete jumping up and down in excitement when DEFRA mandate everyone applying lime. The poor fella wonā€™t be able to keep up.šŸ˜‚

I hope there is never a grant, otherwise every driven salesman in the country will be convincing you to buy lime you donā€™t need and happy to take money you donā€™t need to spend. It took a long time to get rid of them after the last grants ended.

I wonā€™t look forward to competing with more cheap

Itā€™s the cheapest input any land could use so grants ought to be available on expensive stuff. If you canā€™t afford the cheapest input then there really is no hope.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I hope there is never a grant, otherwise every driven salesman in the country will be convincing you to buy lime you donā€™t need and happy to take money you donā€™t need to spend. It took a long time to get rid of them after the last grants ended.

I wonā€™t look forward to competing with more cheap

Itā€™s the cheapest input any land could use so grants ought to be available on expensive stuff. If you canā€™t afford the cheapest input then there really is no hope.

I quite agree. However, the consultant was speaking from NI, and said there were only 18% of their samples from NI farms that were at optimum pH. I seem to remember the Welsh figure isnā€™t much better either.

IF the powers that be become convinced that rectifying pH is the key to massively increasing soilā€™s capacity to sequester carbon, weā€™ll all wish weā€™d bought shares in a lime quarry.
 
Itā€™s nothing new to me. For 10 years or more the manager at Huntsmans Quarry was David Glenn.

He told me about a meeting he went to years ago (think it was with Defra or the EA) where he was told that soil pH was the key and that they would be pushing it more as time went by.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Can you imagine the headlines? One of Our Mendips is Missing!
theres plenty of smaller quarries around like down at Ashburton but yes its finite resource in a usable/ transportable /spreadable form like everything else thats used in the same way in the World today i guess.

There could be a grant on smaller lime spreaders for farmers or famers groups.than the ones contractors use. so smaller fields with narrow or awkward access or wetter ground can be covered not just big arable parks who take big tonnages.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
theres plenty of smaller quarries around like down at Ashburton but yes its finite resource in a usable/ transportable /spreadable form like everything else thats used in the same way in the World today i guess.

There could be a grant on smaller lime spreaders for farmers or famers groups.than the ones contractors use. so smaller fields with narrow or awkward access or wetter ground can be covered not just big arable parks who take big tonnages.

Most of the contractors round here use those ā€˜smallerā€™ lime spreaders.;)
 

Badshot

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Location
Kent
@Janet Hughes Defra I am part of the SFI pilot.
I direct drill everything already.
One thing that would really be of help is funding for flotation tyres on grain trailers.
Will this be a possibility in future rounds, or different funding sources?
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
@Janet Hughes Defra I am part of the SFI pilot.
I direct drill everything already.
One thing that would really be of help is funding for flotation tyres on grain trailers.
Will this be a possibility in future rounds, or different funding sources?
One thing I asked for within the test and trials. "Flotation on any equipment"

Maybe if its just a top up over standard fitment
 

cheeseypeas

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Location
Frome, UK
Hello @Janet Hughes Defra

I wanted to get some FieldBee autosteer GPS kit to retrofit on a tractor. The system comes from abroad. Is this a problem or do you have to buy kit from UK suppliers? Also. They have an offer on at the moment. Black Friday. If I order and pay the full amount now before knowing if I get the funding is this frowned upon? I see you say about paying a Refundable Deposit in the manual but you don't say you can't pay the whole amount. Looks like an excellent deal ATM.

Thank you
 

jon the pom

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Location
S Oxon
Hate to be a kill joy & as welcome as any help is this to me simply seems a way to put farmers further in debt with very little improvement to the bottom line.
I'm sure we would all love new equipment but it has to be remembered that 60% of the cost of all this is coming out of our pockets & the real benefactors of this are the endless suppliers who are no doubt breaking open the champagne & raising their prices just as we speak.
The majority of farmers have struggled to make profits with the way the single farm payment has been, we now will all have shiny new toys just as the payments disappear with no increase in profits but far bigger overdrafts, how this helps UK farmers is beyond me.
Agreed - when I looked at the last round to buy a portable collecting yard (to help with TB testing)~(Ā£3.5k), I found we would have needed to have spent over twice as much on other things, to access the minimum grant.... so cheaper to just buy what we really needed (& can sell again if we stop farming!)
 

jon the pom

New Member
Location
S Oxon
Hate to be a kill joy & as welcome as any help is this to me simply seems a way to put farmers further in debt with very little improvement to the bottom line.
I'm sure we would all love new equipment but it has to be remembered that 60% of the cost of all this is coming out of our pockets & the real benefactors of this are the endless suppliers who are no doubt breaking open the champagne & raising their prices just as we speak.
The majority of farmers have struggled to make profits with the way the single farm payment has been, we now will all have shiny new toys just as the payments disappear with no increase in profits but far bigger overdrafts, how this helps UK farmers is beyond me.
Agreed - when I looked at the last round to buy a portable collecting yard (to help with TB testing)~(Ā£3.5k), I found we would have needed to have spent over twice as much on other things, to access the minimum grant.... so cheaper to just buy what we really needed (& can sell again if we stop farming!)
 

jon the pom

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Location
S Oxon
2020 price before steel rocketed
IAE, fixed handling setup (cattle) Ā£13000 Bateman was more from memory.
Current grant total Ā£3866
40% of the above Ā£ 5200.
plus you need to factor in fitting it costs and concrete etc.
Can't justify the outlay on small Hill farm
In 2019, we bought a Bateman portable (rotary) catching pen & race for about Ā£3.5k, which we've set up in our yard, connected to our existing crush (Ā£1k?), with a couple of handling gates, (with plenty of string). Seems to do the job for way less than the minimum required spend to get the grant (Ā£7.5k)
 

colhonk

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Seems a typical government screwup ( or intentional?)No idea what farmers really need, but stick some things on a list so they can say .HEEEEY look how good we are to farmers.
 

Drillman

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Mixed Farmer
Seems a typical government screwup ( or intentional?)No idea what farmers really need, but stick some things on a list so they can say .HEEEEY look how good we are to farmers.
Thatā€™s the problem, itā€™s a good idea in principle but needs more flexibility to be useful to more folks.

But from a government point of view adding flexibility at there end adds cost making it less viable to run such a scheme.


The ultimate issue is that every farm is different and there is no one size fits all solution
 

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